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Storing 25 petabytes of Megaupload data costs us $9,000 a day

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Re: Storing 25 petabytes of Megaupload data costs us $9,000 a day

#111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no legal basis for the MPAA to bear the cost of storing the data. The MPAA is not even a party to the proceedings, which, by the way, are criminal and not at all civil.

So this confuses me a little, I would be glad if someone could explain it to me: why does the MPAA get a voice in the proceedings, if they are not a party to it?

They are the supposed victims of the alleged crime.

Re: Storing 25 petabytes of Megaupload data costs us $9,000 a day

#112

So, 25 petabytes ... 25 million gigabytes. Anyone care to guess how much of this data is illegitimate? And how much of that is under MPAA's copyright? Back-of-the-envelope calculation: Just did a search for "1080" on some unnamed site and it appears a bluray rip of a movie encodes to roughly 10GB. So that would be 2.5 million movies in 1080p quality. I don't think we've made that many, have we? Especially if you cons…

I would wager that a good percentage of the data is completely redundant.

Re: Storing 25 petabytes of Megaupload data costs us $9,000 a day

#113

So, 25 petabytes ... 25 million gigabytes. Anyone care to guess how much of this data is illegitimate? And how much of that is under MPAA's copyright? Back-of-the-envelope calculation: Just did a search for "1080" on some unnamed site and it appears a bluray rip of a movie encodes to roughly 10GB. So that would be 2.5 million movies in 1080p quality. I don't think we've made that many, have we? Especially if you cons…

Think of the problem from the opposite direction. What the hell _else_ could the bulk of that possibly be? I've got 4TB of storage on my media server, last time I checked at ~60% used.At _best_, possibly 0.5% of that is stuff that I've personally created and have copyright over. Hell, all the email I've sent _or recieved_ that wasnt spam filtered since mid 1995 only comes to a few hundred meg - including attachments!…

Thoughts on ameliorating that risk…

If I start heading about individuals being charged for content they have on their own machines (as opposed to content they're sharing is p2p), I'll invest in a few OpenWRT capable wifi/adsl routers, plug in some large disks, distribute them amongst nearby friends/neighbors (or out-of-wifi-range friends with adequate bandwidth), and run Tahoe on them all in a configuration that means its _provable_ that my sections of the encrypted files do not contain enough to decrypt into any identifiable copyrighted work.

That's still not foolproof, but adding the requirement that "they" identify the existence of a network of storage devices all storing encrypted segments of files, and then having them need to confiscate enough of them as well as my disks should put me that one step ahead of the "lower hanging fruit".

Re: Storing 25 petabytes of Megaupload data costs us $9,000 a day

#114

So, 25 petabytes ... 25 million gigabytes. Anyone care to guess how much of this data is illegitimate? And how much of that is under MPAA's copyright? Back-of-the-envelope calculation: Just did a search for "1080" on some unnamed site and it appears a bluray rip of a movie encodes to roughly 10GB. So that would be 2.5 million movies in 1080p quality. I don't think we've made that many, have we? Especially if you cons…

Think of the problem from the opposite direction. What the hell _else_ could the bulk of that possibly be? I've got 4TB of storage on my media server, last time I checked at ~60% used.At _best_, possibly 0.5% of that is stuff that I've personally created and have copyright over. Hell, all the email I've sent _or recieved_ that wasnt spam filtered since mid 1995 only comes to a few hundred meg - including attachments!…

"Hell, all the email I've sent _or recieved_ that wasnt spam filtered since mid 1995 only comes to a few hundred meg - including attachments!"

!!!

I drown in approximately 2GB/year and that's after deleting some stuff and many attachments. Do you make a lot of phone calls or hand-write letters? Or not run a business maybe?

Re: Storing 25 petabytes of Megaupload data costs us $9,000 a day

#115

I've dealt with e-discovery sets. No one really has answers to what to do when you have a litigation hold on data. Legislation commonly requires "retention of anything related to X case", but how do you know what's relevant and what isn't? When you are a third party the ambiguity increases. So you end up with an everything and kitchen sink data dump. Even with everything the data is commonly useless without context.…

If it's anything like the usual proceedings, the lawyers involved would probably prefer if they had several copies of the data, too. I'm sure most of these drives were arrayed in such a fashion where they're unreadable unless in the proper equipment. It's not like you can just buy a pile of off-the-shelf external drives and start copying, either, as the contents might be unreadable unless the proper software is insta…

Not to mention that it would cost (1Tb * $109 @ newegg) * ( 25,000 Tb) $2,725,000 just to replicate it.

Re: Storing 25 petabytes of Megaupload data costs us $9,000 a day

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not backing up your important data is passive stupidity. Backing up your data on Megaupload and then not keeping a local copy is active stupidity of such vast scale that I refuse to believe it has ever happened in the real world.

> Backing up your data on Megaupload and then not keeping a local copy is active stupidity of such vast scale that I refuse to believe it has ever happened in the real world. The purpose of having a backup is so that you can restore your data after the original is lost, because there is a good chance the original will be lost. Explicitly retaining it on your local system is not enough to keep it safe. If it was, ther…

If this had actually happened, it'd be in the media by now, given how many pro-piracy individuals there are.

It hasn't happened. It didn't happen. Sorry to burst your dishonest little bubble.

Re: Storing 25 petabytes of Megaupload data costs us $9,000 a day

#118
post #11

Megaupload had a lot of assets that were frozen. I don’t know about the legailities, but it would be reasonable to use frozen funds to pay for this.

I really doubt that would be legal. It would be akin to the government can forcing you to pay for them to prosecute you. Of course, I think the whole category of forfeiture law it blatantly contrary to the Fourth Ammendment, so what do I know.

> It would be akin to the government can forcing you to pay for them to prosecute you.

Taxes?

Re: Storing 25 petabytes of Megaupload data costs us $9,000 a day

#119

This gives an idea of the economic activity generated by services like megaupload and what is being removed from the economy by killing the company. Roughly $3.2 million in hosting fees, and could be more if that's just the cost price. Also salaries, over $1 million in hardware, and the various other suppliers. One wonders about the GDP of the recording and movie industries relative to the businesses they're going af…

Warner Brothers alone contributes $12 billion to the economy and employs 10,000 questions.

So no, no wondering going on.

Re: Storing 25 petabytes of Megaupload data costs us $9,000 a day

#120
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's possible (though I'd doubt it is the case) that those servers have data from other clients as well.

Any large datacenter has storage allocated in complex ways. IT may be challenging to isolate one customer's data physically from another. For instance, physical disks can be virtually concatenated then repartitioned into virtual storage containers, which may reside on part of 1, or parts of many physical disks. They could of course migrate all of the contested data onto new storage. But its large; who would pay for t…

That makes the most sense to me.
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