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Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by mathisfun123 »

qaq wrote: post #159
mathisfun123 wrote: post #158

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> Why is it ao hard for you to accept that some people might different opnions? you're passing over a very crucial detail here: this person's opinion consisted solely of > Have you looked at the team? they themselves finally admitted it at the end. this isn't so much an opinion as hero worship at best and fanaticism at worst.

That was not an opinion it was an honest question. People use past performance as an indicator for future performance thats not a very unusual concept and not really "hero worship at best and fanaticism at worst."

I gave you two examples of past poor performance and you either blithely ignored them or dismissed them as unimportant because it's "totally outside what you do". Then at the end you admitted you don't pay attention to the details. So we're either back to why are debating things you don't understand or why are you fawning.

The thing that always gets me in these pissing contests is some random decides to wade in based purely on ____ and then when I point out ____ I'm the asshole. Like isn't it clear you just shouldn't have started making claims? Why am I in the wrong for knowing/understanding and demonstrating that understanding but you're not in the wrong for just guessing?

Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by pharmakom »

mrcwinn wrote: post #63

A rant. I apologize. I try to avoid on HN and in general. Faster, yes, but at what cost? I'm so impressed by the Python community, but I'll never quite understand why they gravitated to... Python itself. It's unbelievable to me that in Mojo's case some of the brightest, most famous engineers have gathered to do incredible computer science work to improve the compute performance of a language that is fundamentally fla…

Totally agree. It’s not even the stuff that most people complain about (e.g. whitespace) it’s the poor decisions that in hindsight which limit performance or make correct code harder to write… and we’re totally avoidable in hindsight.

Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by qaq »

mathisfun123 wrote: post #161
qaq wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was not an opinion it was an honest question. People use past performance as an indicator for future performance thats not a very unusual concept and not really "hero worship at best and fanaticism at worst."

I gave you two examples of past poor performance and you either blithely ignored them or dismissed them as unimportant because it's "totally outside what you do". Then at the end you admitted you don't pay attention to the details. So we're either back to why are debating things you don't understand or why are you fawning. The thing that always gets me in these pissing contests is some random decides to wade in based…

Could you give me an example of a "claim" I made ?

Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by mathisfun123 »

qaq wrote: post #163
mathisfun123 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gave you two examples of past poor performance and you either blithely ignored them or dismissed them as unimportant because it's "totally outside what you do". Then at the end you admitted you don't pay attention to the details. So we're either back to why are debating things you don't understand or why are you fawning. The thing that always gets me in these pissing contests is some random decides to wade in based…

Could you give me an example of a "claim" I made ?

how many more tedious questions are you going to ask?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by mort96 »

ayhanfuat wrote: post #107
chubot wrote: post #103

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What’s unclear about it? It’s a closed source product by a for profit company It would be nice if it were open source, but I don’t see anything that’s unclear about the IP.

How license will evolve is unclear. I personally don't mind it starting closed to figure out a contribution model or whatever they want to sort out as long as they have clear commitment. However, the current statement for open source is so vague that I don't want to invest time on it.

Good. It's an early alpha product. You shouldn't invest time into it. If their current licensing model prevents people from using it from anything serious, that sounds like a win.

Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by takeda »

rvrs wrote: post #77
frodowtf wrote: post #57

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> ... it's not intuitive how deep I am within nested scopes The ONLY piece of information that is available to you regardless of how deep you are into a function is INDENTATION. Your curly braces won't help you. Besides that, you should seriously reconsider your coding style if this is an actual problem for you.

>The ONLY piece of information that is available to you regardless of how deep you are into a function is INDENTATION. ...No? It sounds like you write very long, messy code blocks. Consider the following example, I will write a nested loop in 2 languages: In Python: for _ in range(10): for _ in range(10): print("Inner") print("Outer") Here's something similar in JS: for (const _ of foo) { for (const _ of foo) { conso…

> witter pulled the same trick earlier this year where they made For You the only option, then they would show For You each time you open the app, then they finally gave the Following feed back.

Obviously. You're using 2 spaces indentation for Python and 4 for JS. Don't be surprised that it is harder to see the indentation.

I think I might have indentation related bug early on, when I was new to Python, but I don't remember any recently. It could be that Python 2 allowed to mix tabs and spaces for indentation, while this is no longer allowed in 3.

Also this is how I would format the code:

    for _ in range(10):
        for _ in range(10):  
            print("Inner")
    
    print("Outer")

Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by eddtests »

ActivePattern wrote: post #108
zer0zzz wrote: post #76

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Given Lattner's record, I think it would be a bad assumption to think it will stay closed.

Yeah, a lot of folks don't seem to be aware of the people behind this, and their history. Swift was originally closed source too. He's explained that this sort of "incubation period" is helpful for working out the kinks with a small core team.

Okay I looked up the team and agree they are brilliant, but I still don't know if I trust them to make this open in the longterm. Why can't they open it on Github but just not accept PRs?

Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by eddtests »

sshine wrote: post #47
eddtests wrote: post #17

Who would risk using a closed-source language? I know some academic groups using Matlab, and I know some engineering companies use tools like Simulink, but these are very established products. I don't think I could even get sign-off for using a new closed language for a work project...

> Who would risk using a closed-source language? Who doesn’t want a 68.000x speed-up!

I signed up for the SDK and the generated codes are taking 2+ minutes to be sent to my email address - imagine if this was 68,000 times slower! :O

Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by __alexs »

eddtests wrote: post #28
__alexs wrote: post #26

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I believe K is still quite popular at various banks.

Probably, but again K is a language from 1993. I think closed-source languages are relics from a time it was more normal and some are so established they're still accepted, but new closed-source languages feel out of touch. Can you think of any new ones that caught on? I really can't to be honest!

Yeah I agree, I wouldn't launch a new closed source proprietary language these days. The few that found their niche 20-25 years ago seem to do a decent job of sticking around though.
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