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Why isn't chess popular in Japan?

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Re: Why isn't chess popular in Japan?

#21
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It's because Go is a much better game. Shogi is inferior though to Chess because it takes too long to play with the pieces being returnable.

That's debatable. Maybe shogi is superior to chess because it's a longer game and pieces can change side. Or maybe Chinese chess are better because they are a faster game with less pieces and more movement. Go is definitely better than all of them though, at least for me, and yet it's less popular than any game of chess in any country.

I don't understand why people compare Go with Chess or Shogi like this. It's not a competition, they're entirely different kinds of games, and for the most part there's loads of people who play both anyways! Real "Trek vs. Wars" nonsense

Re: Why isn't chess popular in Japan?

#22
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post #8

They play shogi, go, and riichi mahjong

Is riichi mahjong even that popular?

Absolutely.

According to [1], in Japan, 4.5M people play Mahjong (in Japan you can assume Mahjong means Riichi Mahjong), 5M people play Shogi, and only 1.5M play Go.

Interestingly 21M (!) people play family games, which means party video games, e.g. Mario Kart.

[1]: https://note.com/hasimo1000year/n/n06989a252aa2, it's a random Mahjong player's blog, but it quotes the data allegedly from [2]

[2]: https://www.jpc-net.jp/research/list/leisure.html

Re: Why isn't chess popular in Japan?

#23
post #19

One thing that kinda sucks in Tokyo in particular is a dearth of just chill public spaces. I think Go and Shogi both benefit from incumbent status, with club spaces and the like existing. Chess meetups right now seem to be relegated to city community spaces (glad they exist!). But I was real jealous when I was in Brisbane for a bit and visisted a chess meetup that was just happening in a cafe. Also saw some kids play…

There's an abundance of chill public spaces in Tokyo! So many cool parks, public rooftop spaces, and so on. I think it's just cause chess isn't popular.

Re: Why isn't chess popular in Japan?

#25
> Even with all of the online resources now, nothing beats learning from playing over the board, so it’s been heart-warming to see the gradual yet real strides chess in Japan is making so people can ... find more chess clubs near them and nurture their love for the game.

I live in Yokohama. I wasn’t aware of any chess clubs near me, but a web search turns up one in Yokohama [1] and one in neighboring Kawasaki [2]; there are more than twenty others nationwide [3].

This contrasts, though, with the much larger number of go clubs. There seem to be over thirty in Yokohama alone, including at least three within walking distance of my home. Some go clubs are small, like one on the fourth floor of a building a few blocks away [4], while others are quite large [5].

I learned how to play go in the U.S. in the late 1970s. For a few years after I moved to Japan in 1983, I sometimes played in go clubs around Tokyo. They were an interesting scene: smoke-filled rooms full of middle-aged and older men, many of whom seemed to spend all day every day there, playing game after game. There wasn’t much talking or socializing; often two people would play an entire game without exchanging more than a word or two.

The first go club I ventured into, before I could speak much Japanese, was in Kabukicho on the edge of the redlight district. It was livelier than the ones I went to later, perhaps because, unlike most other go clubs, it served alcohol and was open all night. It seems to have moved to a new location deeper into Kabukicho, surrounded by bars and love hotels [6].

I never got very strong at go—maybe 4 or 5 kyu—and I haven’t played a regular game in many years. But recently, at my daughter’s request, I have started teaching my grandson how to play. It will be interesting to see if he likes it. If he does, I might show him chess, too.

[1] http://ycc.wp.xdomain.jp

[2] https://yasux.com

[3] https://japanchess.org/clublist/

[4] https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@35.4749685,139.6245706,3a,75y...

[5] https://www.yokohamaigosalon.com/%E3%83%9B%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0

[6] https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6962023,139.7020693,3a,75y,9...

Re: Why isn't chess popular in Japan?

#27
The article does give this away early, but the answer is "no, chess is popular but not (yet) for the western variant". AFAIK this is same for all East Asian countries. That does make me wonder if chess (or more accurately, all games thought to originate from Chaturanga) is the first ever internationally distributed game.

Re: Why isn't chess popular in Japan?

#28
post #19

One thing that kinda sucks in Tokyo in particular is a dearth of just chill public spaces. I think Go and Shogi both benefit from incumbent status, with club spaces and the like existing. Chess meetups right now seem to be relegated to city community spaces (glad they exist!). But I was real jealous when I was in Brisbane for a bit and visisted a chess meetup that was just happening in a cafe. Also saw some kids play…

There's a group meeting every Wednesday in a pub in Shibuya.

See https://www.tokyocheckmates.com/ for more info.

Re: Why isn't chess popular in Japan?

#29
The linked article about Alekhine's visit to Japan in 1933 is definitely worth reading if you want to read the point of view of a shogi player* learning Western chess: https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/winter80.html#6994._Alek...

PS: I just called Yoshio Kimura "a shogi player" because I don't know anything about shogi, but apparently he was a big deal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshio_Kimura_(shogi)

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