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Re: Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

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Post by qingcharles » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 3:33 PM UTC

warrenm wrote: post #47

qingcharles wrote: post #29

70 miles off shore is international waters. Most countries limit extends 12 miles these days. (excluding resource extraction) Why does the coastguard have jurisdiction? Because it was launched from the USA? At what point is your vehicle a ship? i.e. is a surfboard a ship?

pretty sure, USCG jurisdiction extends to at least 200nm from the coastline - per https://nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/data/us-maritime-limits-and-...

Not usually, that 200nm you mention is for resource extraction (EEZ as they say in the article you linked). i.e. pulling oil from the seabed.

Re: Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

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Post by red-iron-pine » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 6:40 PM UTC

zingababba wrote: post #57

junar wrote: post #12

Criminal complaint: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23937421-baluchi

Funny, some crazy guy's perfectly fine hamster wheel vessel gets deemed manifestly unsafe however an eccentric entrepreneur's million dollar submarine ends up crumpling up some billionaires.

the hamster wheel was manifestly and plainly unsafe. it was a terrible idea and the guy was crazy, to include threatening the coast guard with a bomb and/or stabbing and/or suicide.

the imploded submarine was consistently told it was unsafe, but also had managed to make several successful dives. it did have failsafes, albeit woefully ineffective, and a crew on a ship hanging out above. they had real operational plans and experience, they just cut corners on everything and eventually it went bad.

Re: Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

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Post by red-iron-pine » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 7:56 PM UTC

StarterPro wrote: post #19

So a man can't cross the Atlantic in a hamster wheel, but rich people can go to the bottom of the Atlantic? Unfair

This guy was clearly crazy, made suicide and bomb threats, and was stopped before. There was also little to no real chance he'd make it; this isn't like swimming the English Channel, and even then those attempting it had boats & support.

The imploded submersible guy was well known in the industry to be cutting corners and playing fast and loose, but had done successful dives in the past, and had a boat there to support him. Playing fast and loose in a sub will eventually get you killed -- and it did -- but there was at least something of a track record.

Re: Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

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Post by red-iron-pine » Thu, Sep 07, 2023, 7:58 PM UTC

qingcharles wrote: post #61

warrenm wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pretty sure, USCG jurisdiction extends to at least 200nm from the coastline - per https://nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/data/us-maritime-limits-and-...

Not usually, that 200nm you mention is for resource extraction (EEZ as they say in the article you linked). i.e. pulling oil from the seabed.

and it is explicitly the coast guard's job to enforce EEZ rules. one of their primary roles.

Re: Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

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Post by qingcharles » Fri, Sep 08, 2023, 12:18 AM UTC

red-iron-pine wrote: post #64

qingcharles wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not usually, that 200nm you mention is for resource extraction (EEZ as they say in the article you linked). i.e. pulling oil from the seabed.

and it is explicitly the coast guard's job to enforce EEZ rules. one of their primary roles.

While true, I don't see the dude in his hamster wheel sucking up much black gold from the sea floor :)

Re: Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

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Post by p_l » Fri, Sep 08, 2023, 4:16 PM UTC

alex_lav wrote: post #38

p_l wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally it's about limited, numerically, rescue resources that might then be unable to respond to a more serious eventm

There are a finite amount of firetrucks, ambulances and ER beds per municipality.

And if you think number of ambulances/ER/firetrucks is limited, they feel positively unlimited compared to more specialist rescue resources (sea, mountain, air etc.)