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Grindr Loses Almost Half Its Staff on 2-Day RTO Requirement

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Post by activitypea »

pdonis wrote: post #195
K7PJP wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the railroad industry literally made this argument last year when (successfully) appealing to the Biden administration to block a railworkers strike. > During hearings before the board on wages … the railroads argued that labor from railroad workers does not contribute to their profits. “The Carriers maintain that capital investment and risk are the reasons for their profits, not any contributions from labor,” t…

> the railroad industry literally made this argument No, they didn't. The article you cite misdescribes the situation (for ideological reasons that are old hat to anyone familiar with the history of socialism). The railroads didn't argue that they should be able to spend zero money and make all the profits. They argued that they were paying money: they were paying employees fairly and adequately for their efforts. An…

I'm not familiar with the situation, but this "refutation" sounds bleaker than the original claim

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Post by vuln »

callalex wrote: post #208
vuln wrote: post #197

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What about the ADL itself? Here’s their call to action against Facebook. Why wouldn’t they go after twitter… Oh wait they did barely one month after acquisition. https://www.adl.org/resources/letter/open-letter-companies-a... https://theweek.com/controversies/1018137/one-month-after-it... https://forward.com/news/556095/adl-twitter-advertising-boyc...

Sorry, I should have been less brief. I don’t deny that the ADL has been campaigning against xitter, I just hold extreme doubt that they are the main reason xitter lost half of its ad revenue. I think that is more likely caused by other factors.

Do you have insider knowledge of the _other factors_ you _think_ is more likely the cause of revenue loss? Isn’t almost all of twitters revenue pre paid blue check, advertising? Where else are they generating income? Wasn’t twitter losing money before? Has twitter ever been profitable?

I’ve linked to proof of boycotts and the ADLs position in convincing advertisers to drop twitter due to the ADLs “research.”

You provide nothing other than you opinion or assumption presented as fact. I digress, you can believe whatever you want to.

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

mrguyorama wrote: post #161
wvenable wrote: post #13

> Staffing is the “single biggest cost” after fees paid to app distribution platforms like Apple Inc. and Alphabet Inc.’s Google, according to Arison. This is a hilarious quote. It's a software company! What other major costs are there besides the staff to make and manage the software? I think I even find it a little disturbing that fees paid to Apple and Google are higher than salary paid to staff.

American Railroad ideology is that the most "efficient" railroad owns no track and runs no trains. American businesses believe they should be able to spend zero money and yet still make all the profit.

As Cory Doctorow put it: capitalists hate capitalism, and each and every one of them wants to become a rentier.

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

toolz wrote: post #191
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #180

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Cats are pretty sensitive to changes in their environment. They have a hard time with change, it's just if you're not paying attention it's hard to tell until they stop eating and you have to take them to the vet.

I imagine it depends on the cat. I've moved cities and states with a few cats a few times and they were back to mostly normal within a couple days and only stopped eating out of stress for maybe a day. Takes them weeks to completely relax, but I wouldn't say that puts them in a relatively "sensitive" category when compared to other animals.

It's true, it really depends on the cat. I know ours inevitably end up upset in one way or another when we go away for any amount of time and the cat kennel was an unmitigated disaster.

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mrguyorama wrote: post #161
wvenable wrote: post #13

> Staffing is the “single biggest cost” after fees paid to app distribution platforms like Apple Inc. and Alphabet Inc.’s Google, according to Arison. This is a hilarious quote. It's a software company! What other major costs are there besides the staff to make and manage the software? I think I even find it a little disturbing that fees paid to Apple and Google are higher than salary paid to staff.

American Railroad ideology is that the most "efficient" railroad owns no track and runs no trains. American businesses believe they should be able to spend zero money and yet still make all the profit.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

mjhay wrote: post #69
factorymoo wrote: post #49

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> " with zero ability to think through long-term consequences" The median tenure in tech is one to two years before moving on to another team or company [1]. You need to say that what you care about is long term, but that's now how we're compensated (read: incentivised). Plus you're not there to see it anyways so there are really very little incentives to think long term. [1] some googling but couldn't find a great s…

Yeah that is a good point. Short-term thinking and short tenures are incentivized. The short average tenure in tech is just crazy to me, considering that onboarding takes forever compared to most industries, and how expensive the hiring process itself is. Nonetheless, companies hate giving existing employees raises despite how much it helps retention.

> onboarding takes forever compared to most industries,

What? If you mean other industries where people are called engineers is used then I'm pretty sure that getting up to speed in another industry and becoming familiar with the unspoken, unwritten, unconscious rules that make the product possible must take at least as long as in any kind of software based company. Not to mention that there are often lots of constraints regarding what may and may not be done with hardware exposed to the public.

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Post by vuln »

supertimor wrote: post #187
vuln wrote: post #128

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That has absolutely nothing to do with the number of staff. It is directly related to the ADL’s campaign of convincing advertisers to pull out. It appears there will be a lawsuit. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/05/tech/elon-musk-adl-lawsui...

I mean, Elon is also blaming the CCDH for his loss in advertising. He’s not exactly an unbiased source here. Just because he says it, doesn’t make it true.

Do you have any sources or insider knowledge that you can present that would put Elon himself on the hook for loss in advertising? I’ve replied to multiple comments citing ADL CCDH and others actively seeking to sway advertisers away from twitter using “research.”

Instead of presenting a counter argument with facts or data to back it up you resort to calling Elon a liar. It obviously shows your bias. You can believe whatever you want to believe.

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Post by giantg2 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #53
giantg2 wrote: post #45

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The real question is will they do anything.

It's likely. https://prospect.org/labor/2023-08-28-bidens-nlrb-brings-wor... https://www.nlrb.gov/news-outreach/news-story/board-issues-d... https://www.nlrb.gov/news-outreach/news-story/national-labor...

Sure, plenty of rules exist. The real test is in how those get enforced.

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Post by pdonis »

activitypea wrote: post #211
pdonis wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the railroad industry literally made this argument No, they didn't. The article you cite misdescribes the situation (for ideological reasons that are old hat to anyone familiar with the history of socialism). The railroads didn't argue that they should be able to spend zero money and make all the profits. They argued that they were paying money: they were paying employees fairly and adequately for their efforts. An…

I'm not familiar with the situation, but this "refutation" sounds bleaker than the original claim

The situation is basically that railroad workers asked the Biden administration to weigh in to improve the terms of the latest contract that the railroad company management was offering them, and the Biden administration told them tough luck. Which is indeed a bleak situation. But misdescribing it as "railroad company management wants to pay zero money and take all the profits" does not help; it makes it worse because it makes the workers sound unreasonable since the claim is obviously false. (Btw, I'm not saying the actual railroad workers are making that claim. Only the post I originally responded to was.)

The fact that railroad service in the US sucks is also bleak, and is a product of the same government regulation that has put the railroad company workers in the bleak position they are in. If you don't like the obvious implication of my previous post, which is that the government should open up railroads to free market competition and force the railroad company management to either show actual business acumen or give up their profits to someone who can, there is another possible response: since the government has created a railroad monopoly, the government should grant ownership of the railroad companies to all railroad workers, not just the company management. That way all workers would naturally share in the profits, because they all have a share in ownership. That would actually be more in line with what "socialism" claims to be about: everyone gets a share in the ownership of the capital they use to produce value. But the article that was cited doesn't make that argument either (once more, for ideological reasons that are obvious to anyone who is familiar with the history of socialism).

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Post by asveikau »

dwaltrip wrote: post #159
asveikau wrote: post #145

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I don't think that has much bearing on my question of ranking server costs with other costs (which I don't know the answer to, I'm just saying it's a cost among all the others cited). Further, I think their app is pretty popular so it does require some of that optimized engineering on the server side.

Staffing costs >> server costs, generally, is my understanding.

I'm not even implying the opposite, I'm merely saying it is a cost.
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