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Re: Ask HN: YC company copied our product, what can we do?

#51

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This would require millions in legal fees.

Not it won't. If it is an outright copy (that's relatively easy to prove) you can have an injunction issued, besides that the bad press alone might get them to back off. I've brought a lawsuit like that and won << $100K.

How many hours in legal fees did you pay for your attorneys?

Re: Ask HN: YC company copied our product, what can we do?

#52

The real answer is to out execute them. Taking time to do legal action will only waste valuable resources. Ironically the founder worked at Rocket-internet which was notorious for copying successful startups https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/27/wimdu-rocket-internets-air...

That's not always as easy as you seem to want to make it. It can take a long time to establish a field and a product line, a copycat can skip all your mistakes and take the end product. Now: it all depends on what was copied. They've copied code, text from the website, other documentation they may well be in serious trouble. And then it helps that they happen to be funded because that makes them a nice fat & juicy target. The last thing you want is to sue some party that is penniless.

Re: Ask HN: YC company copied our product, what can we do?

#53
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Talk to a lawyer. Copying your API is possibly a copyright violation. But take the lawyer's advice with the following grain of salt. It is in a lawyer's interest for you to go to court. But the best outcome FOR YOU is almost certainly a negotiated settlement. However your legal threat is the best way to get them to settle. https://www.bhfs.com/insights/alerts-articles/2021/supreme-c...

Or to get them to back the fuck off. If for instance they were the recipient of privileged information sent to YC (pure speculation!) then they may well be in trouble.

Re: Ask HN: YC company copied our product, what can we do?

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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. This is just another proof point, you may even be able to use it to raise more capital. Focus on your differentiator/USP and providing the best service to your customers. Any decent and obvious market has copycats and competitors.

This. By pivoting to your business model, they are lending it validation and doing you a favour. It’s another reason for a VC to invest in your product vs theirs, as you have been at it longer. If you really believe in yourself and your team, work hard to outcompete them. Like many others have said, unless there is something illegal about this, it is fair game.

They got rejected by YC. YC is not an investor in OPs business, they are however investors in that copycat.

Re: Ask HN: YC company copied our product, what can we do?

#55

The real answer is to out execute them. Taking time to do legal action will only waste valuable resources. Ironically the founder worked at Rocket-internet which was notorious for copying successful startups https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/27/wimdu-rocket-internets-air...

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Re: Ask HN: YC company copied our product, what can we do?

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Unless you have tons of funding and lawyers already on retainer, this is horrible advice Legal fees will drain your funds faster than anything else and you will probably not see any benefits from it In fact it might be what makes your company fail (taking away the focus from building your business)

Of course it isn't horrible advice, legal affairs are dealt with by lawyers and courts. If you have a product out there in the market you should go to bat for it. And yes, it might make your company fail. But that goes for a well funded competitor outright copying your product as well.

The trick is getting an objective assessment of how strong the case is, the risks, opportunity cost, etc. There are a lot of lawyers who are perfectly happy to tilt at windmills for $500 an hour until you run out of money.

Re: Ask HN: YC company copied our product, what can we do?

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It's very fair: YC bills itself as 'female founder friendly', if it turns out that you can't safely apply without your data leaking through to would be competitors that would be a serious problem. Note that there is zero proof for such a scenario but it is kind of odd that the OP applied there and that a YC backed company is now copying their business. At a minimum you'd expect YC to state very clearly that such a thing did not happen and that this is coincidence. That would put any speculation to that effect to rest.

Re: Ask HN: YC company copied our product, what can we do?

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not it won't. If it is an outright copy (that's relatively easy to prove) you can have an injunction issued, besides that the bad press alone might get them to back off. I've brought a lawsuit like that and won << $100K.

How many hours in legal fees did you pay for your attorneys?

A few hundred in total. What helped is that they actually did copy text verbatim, so it was very easy to prove. Their defense: they stole it but not from us... go figure. Needless to say that didn't land very well with the judge.

Re: Ask HN: YC company copied our product, what can we do?

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it isn't horrible advice, legal affairs are dealt with by lawyers and courts. If you have a product out there in the market you should go to bat for it. And yes, it might make your company fail. But that goes for a well funded competitor outright copying your product as well.

The trick is getting an objective assessment of how strong the case is, the risks, opportunity cost, etc. There are a lot of lawyers who are perfectly happy to tilt at windmills for $500 an hour until you run out of money.

Yes, that's true. But presumably OP has a lawyer, after all they run a business.
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