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Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

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Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

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post #98

This is politics in a nutshell. People keep voting for the same politicians so they keep the same problems. Power infrastructure is poor? Keep voting for the same people that made it that way. Lots of violent crime in your city? Keep voting for the people that release criminals back into society immediately. Politics is so binary and broken in this country that we are just making fixable issues into permanent hardshi…

I understand your point, but if I let the $OTHER party get control, they will work against my beliefs on Abortion and Guns, which are the only 2 beliefs that the parties have together taught me matters...

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Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

#122

What's stopping power companies from ramping up energy production? They know in advance there will be problems. What stopping them from just producing more? I realize there are some peculiarities of the Texas grid, but this is obviously a problem beyond Texas, as California and east coast has blackouts as well. I'm asking about all these cases. I imagine maybe this requires some additional infrastructure that simply…

> If so, what's the barrier to building this infrastructure?

Tons of money, and time?

Texas grid is over 100GW, they're saying they have a 7% increase in demand? So figure like 5-10GW?

They just spent $10 billion on 10GW of new power plants, and those take 5-10 years to come online. (And the estimate is it'll overrun to $18 billion)

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

#123

According to my Google foo, around 1000 people per day have been moving to Texas in the last three years alone. Put anywhere between a half million to three quarters of a million additional people on the power grid in a three year span and the grid is bound to have issues. Also, really like how the majority of the comments sound like Reddit /r/politics's far left, adult man child, ignorant insights.

are you implying there’s been zero construction on the grid to increase supply _for three years?_

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

#124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a friend who works in the energy industry specifically targeting power grid management. It is far easier for power companies to manage power loss for things with consistent power usage (low variance) than high variance / inconsistent power loads. Businesses tend to be very consistent, even if their power draw is high, like manufacturing or hospitals etc. Residential power tends to be more variant and harder to…

Would it help if the state were to provide tax incentives for in home battery backups?

A lot of states are looking into large battery facilities specifically for frequency regulations.

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

#125
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original idea behind this is sound. Because production and consumption must net to ~0, from the grid's perspective cutting load is just as valuable as providing generative capacity. Imagine you own a factory that typically runs 24/7 and is part of the system's base load. There is a material cost for you to shut down production. These structures were set up to make it economically viable to have these types of ins…

I have a friend who works in the energy industry specifically targeting power grid management. It is far easier for power companies to manage power loss for things with consistent power usage (low variance) than high variance / inconsistent power loads. Businesses tend to be very consistent, even if their power draw is high, like manufacturing or hospitals etc. Residential power tends to be more variant and harder to…

> it’d actually make more sense for power companies to buy people homes in other states

No, because of scale. A large factory is one entity to deal with. Moving just one out of state is possible, but meaningless as even though houses are significant overall you need to deal with many houses before an actual difference is made, while if you can deal with a factory you can make a large difference for the same amount of effort.

A factory/hospital is also easier because they probably have a backup plan. if there is any possibility that the power will go out they are likely to have made backup plans. You are overall cheaper than their backup plans, but you can probably make them a deal where they run their backup plan instead of connecting to you. Since they already have the generator it isn't a problem for them to use their generator on your busy days, and so a small discount makes it easy to work with the factory than a home owner who is probably thinking about friends and family they are moving away from.

The power company has a list of who these deals are with and the priority order. I know of one factory with a coal boiler from the 1800s, and a generator from then 1920s - the whole is very inefficient and takes a full day to start up, but the power company makes it worth while to keep everything operational because every 5 years they can power it on and supply the whole town (at 5x the normal cost of power from the plants they run all the time). Meanwhile there is a store near my parents that is running their generator every hot day - a modern diesel generator when sized properly is not a lot more expensive than grid power so the store doesn't need a big incentive to use it instead of grid power.

Of course all of the above is for exceptions. Where I live now we have built far more wind than needed most of the time, and as a result 80% of our power is renewable. There are very few days when backups are even needed.

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

#126
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original idea behind this is sound. Because production and consumption must net to ~0, from the grid's perspective cutting load is just as valuable as providing generative capacity. Imagine you own a factory that typically runs 24/7 and is part of the system's base load. There is a material cost for you to shut down production. These structures were set up to make it economically viable to have these types of ins…

I have a friend who works in the energy industry specifically targeting power grid management. It is far easier for power companies to manage power loss for things with consistent power usage (low variance) than high variance / inconsistent power loads. Businesses tend to be very consistent, even if their power draw is high, like manufacturing or hospitals etc. Residential power tends to be more variant and harder to…

You could certainly make an argument that zoning needs to be "power neutral": can't zone any houses or businesses without zoning an equivalent power plant. Very SimCity.

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

#127
post #98

This is politics in a nutshell. People keep voting for the same politicians so they keep the same problems. Power infrastructure is poor? Keep voting for the same people that made it that way. Lots of violent crime in your city? Keep voting for the people that release criminals back into society immediately. Politics is so binary and broken in this country that we are just making fixable issues into permanent hardshi…

I understand your point, but if I let the $OTHER party get control, they will work against my beliefs on Abortion and Guns, which are the only 2 beliefs that the parties have together taught me matters...

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Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

#128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a friend who works in the energy industry specifically targeting power grid management. It is far easier for power companies to manage power loss for things with consistent power usage (low variance) than high variance / inconsistent power loads. Businesses tend to be very consistent, even if their power draw is high, like manufacturing or hospitals etc. Residential power tends to be more variant and harder to…

Would it help if the state were to provide tax incentives for in home battery backups?

Not yet anyway. While batteries are interesting, they do start on fire once in a while. We think with correct engineering that risk can be mitigated, but we shouldn't roll things out too fast just in case it really can't.

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

#129
post #5

It would have had blackouts if it didn't build all those bitcoin mines. The bitcoin mines encouraged power infrastructure development, and they can just be taken offline when high heat causes power demand spikes for air conditioning.

This is the same logic that says bitcoin encouraged green power building but in reality they just absorb the excess power from the cheapest source available so they're essentially offsetting any new power generation by simply consuming more power when it's available. They anchor the rate around what is profitable to mine at so power doesn't get lower unless/until mining becomes less profitable.

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

#130

> Some of these tactics have proven controversial with consumers. One program that pays big power users like cryptocurrency operations millions to conserve, has come under particular scrutiny, as Texans have been asked to conserve voluntarily for months. This is... amazing. Not in a good way.

So... start a "cryptocurrency" business and get paid to not use electricity. I mean, if that's not a good way to funnel money from the lower classes to the rich, I don't know what is.

I am curious what it takes to get this sweet deal. Surely anyone can join in the mining and get paid to do nothing on the wonky Texas grid and when you can run - deliver nothing of positive value to society.

Does one need a minimum number of rigs? Maybe a permit? Just apply to the utility?

I’d rather be paid than volunteer to sit around in the dark, sweating like a chump.

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