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Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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That would not be very Nintendo to just deliver a powered-up version of their console, after already delivering an improved OLED model. The last incremental iteration would have been the GameBoy advance, but even then, the form factor changed a lot.

I disagree. The “New” 3DS was a souped up version of the 3DS, including some games requiring the upgraded hardware. Same deal with the DSi.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

#52
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I feel like they pretty much have to make it backwards compatible. They just released a new Zelda game which is like a once-every-7-years event and there's no way they're gonna make people re-buy the game a year after launch on the new console, especially when they already made it the most expensive single price for a Switch game. Plus they have a fairly big Mario release coming up next month (Super Mario Bros Wonder…

Nintendo also has every incentive to play it safe this round. They no doubt want to avoid a third entry in their hit-miss streak: N64, good sales, but not great. NES and SNES were better. GameCube, total meltdown (for the time). Wii, excellent sales. Wii U, total meltdown. Switch, excellent sales. Switch 2, anything but a meltdown.

The GameCube was particularly tragic, because it had a genuinely fantastic game library.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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post #17

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I feel like they pretty much have to make it backwards compatible. They just released a new Zelda game which is like a once-every-7-years event and there's no way they're gonna make people re-buy the game a year after launch on the new console, especially when they already made it the most expensive single price for a Switch game. Plus they have a fairly big Mario release coming up next month (Super Mario Bros Wonder…

You'd think so, but I'd never doubt Nintendo's ability to make weird decisions. Particularly if they involve their online services somehow...

Meh, they aren’t that weird considering their audience is children, and the majority of parents can’t set up parental controls to save their lives.

Plus, our news media is totally going to report a single pedophile incident with Nintendo Switch Online to high heaven regardless of whether parental controls would have prevented it.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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>complete backward compatibility That would mean Nvidia SoC. The first gen Switch choose Nvidia because they were cheap, and Nvidia were despite to get their SoC into some use. With today's Nvidia I am just worried Nintendo isn't getting any decent deals.

> With today's Nvidia I am just worried Nintendo isn't getting any decent deals. The current-gen Switch is kinda crazy underpowered. There's plenty of room for Nvidia to improve on the 20/16nm TSMC process used in the original, as well as adding better acceleration for modern features like DLSS, ML and ray tracing. It would still be an enormous performance leap even if they both phone it in and fab the console on che…

> better acceleration for modern features like DLSS, ML and ray tracing

I hope none of this makes it into the next Switch. It's already enough that these things are completely ruining PC game performance, I don't want to buy a console in 2023 that can only play games at 480p upscaled.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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> Developer presentations for Switch 2 took place behind closed doors, Eurogamer understands, with partners shown tech demos of how well the system is designed to run. > One Switch 2 demo is a souped up version of Switch launch title Zelda: Breath of the Wild, designed to hit the Switch 2's beefier target specs. (To be clear, though - this is just a tech demo. There's no suggestion the game will be re-released.) Inte…

Actually, just straight-up re-releasing remasters of the games might be a way to make backward compatibility work as a business model. I'm really cynical that, while the consumers in threads like this widely consider the backward compatibility to be an obvious choice, it just doesn't make business sense in a world where certain companies in particular make such a killing by perpetually re-selling the same games back…

Many of the new ps4 titles have "free upgrade" to the ps5 version on offer, for instance Armored Core 6. However, the largest difference between versions seems to be frame rate and resolution. I wonder if Nintendo would consider that for actual graphical upgrades.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

#58
post #25

That would not be very Nintendo to just deliver a powered-up version of their console, after already delivering an improved OLED model. The last incremental iteration would have been the GameBoy advance, but even then, the form factor changed a lot.

They were also incentivized to release new models to fix the unpatchable root vulnerability of the first gen.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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> Developer presentations for Switch 2 took place behind closed doors, Eurogamer understands, with partners shown tech demos of how well the system is designed to run. > One Switch 2 demo is a souped up version of Switch launch title Zelda: Breath of the Wild, designed to hit the Switch 2's beefier target specs. (To be clear, though - this is just a tech demo. There's no suggestion the game will be re-released.) Inte…

I predict they'll play it safe; same form factor (but iterated on, like the oled model), backwards compatible, just faster and/or better battery life. There's few things they NEED to improve on the device. I hope it'll be like the PS4 Pro though (or cross-generation PS/xbox games), where developers are not allowed to make their game "switch 2 only". It didn't work at all for their "New Nintendo 2/3DS" line, only a sm…

I think the last couple of Switch hardware versions filled that niche. This is meant to be a brand new console. It's interesting that they're keeping the Switch name, considering how that panned out with the Wii U.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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post #54

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> With today's Nvidia I am just worried Nintendo isn't getting any decent deals. The current-gen Switch is kinda crazy underpowered. There's plenty of room for Nvidia to improve on the 20/16nm TSMC process used in the original, as well as adding better acceleration for modern features like DLSS, ML and ray tracing. It would still be an enormous performance leap even if they both phone it in and fab the console on che…

> better acceleration for modern features like DLSS, ML and ray tracing I hope none of this makes it into the next Switch. It's already enough that these things are completely ruining PC game performance, I don't want to buy a console in 2023 that can only play games at 480p upscaled.

To each their own. In fairness to the current Switch, frame upscaling via FSR already exists in everything from DOOM to Tears of the Kingdom. You may already be playing upscaled 480p games.

The point of naming those technologies was mostly just to spitball different things Nintendo and Nvidia might be interested in. It's hard to say what they focus on for the next generation.

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