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Re: Nobody's Driving

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Post by CalRobert »

jwestbury wrote: post #25
etamponi wrote: post #8

I agree 100% on the conclusion: nobody's driving. In particular, the fact that teens are sad is disturbing. If teens (do you remember how happy and fun life was when you were teens?) are sad, imagine how they will become when they are adults. However, I am not really convinced about the list of effects and reasons that the author proposes. From the article, it seems that climate change is the number 1 reason why teen…

> do you remember how happy and fun life was when you were teens? No, I do not. I was sad, as were most teens I knew (perhaps, admittedly, selection bias).

When I was a teenager I wasn't far from killing myself.

Re: Nobody's Driving

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Post by CalRobert »

somenameforme wrote: post #29
vsareto wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wet bulb temps are lethal if you don't have external cooling. Houston has AC and cold water though.

Not everybody. Lots of people work outdoors for 6+ hour shifts, have transport jobs without AC, and so on. You could also consider primitive cultures. I know the Amazon can get upwards of 40C. I am not as familiar with the humidity on these days, beyond the fact that it's hella humid. And 40C + 70% = 35 wet bulb. If the 35 wet bulb hypothesis was valid, then literally one solitary day of this, regardless of how infre…

This would suggest Brazil's record wet bulb temps are in the low 30's

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/wp-content/themes/sotp-fou...

Re: Nobody's Driving

#33

Post by CalRobert »

somenameforme wrote: post #29
vsareto wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wet bulb temps are lethal if you don't have external cooling. Houston has AC and cold water though.

Not everybody. Lots of people work outdoors for 6+ hour shifts, have transport jobs without AC, and so on. You could also consider primitive cultures. I know the Amazon can get upwards of 40C. I am not as familiar with the humidity on these days, beyond the fact that it's hella humid. And 40C + 70% = 35 wet bulb. If the 35 wet bulb hypothesis was valid, then literally one solitary day of this, regardless of how infre…

Perhaps you should contact the researchers who are cited at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature#Highest_r... because you appear to have independently discovered new global records.

Re: Nobody's Driving

#34

Post by smegsicle »

seszett wrote: post #12

That's rather off-topic but this article picture, with a woman pointing a gun at her head, finger on the trigger, intrigued me, so I followed the link to Adobe's stock photos. The photo is this one: https://stock.adobe.com/images/cheerful-woman-in-car-trip-jo... There isn't a mention, anywhere in the tags, title, of the gun pointed at her own head . She's just a smiling, cheerful, attractive young woman on vacation s…

safety's on so nothing to worry about

Re: Nobody's Driving

#35

Post by jauntywundrkind »

I dislike the slant, which is about control. Someone has to be in control is a cry that blends into authoritarianism.

I do think there's a polycrisis of issues. To me, most of these stem not from a top down directing. They stem from a system which restraints & holds humanity back in an individual level. The basic common good counts for so much, but when folks are struggling for food shelter and housing, when jobs eat away at self respect, when corporations have become such vast government-devouring titans, when we have such a powerful capable world but are DRM & legally locked out of interaction & mastery with the worl: when these factors all align against the individual there's no space left for the good to be evinced out.

Re: Nobody's Driving

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Post by somenameforme »

yrb wrote: post #30
somenameforme wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here [1] is a wet bulb calculator. The first time I started playing with it, I actually assumed it was must have been somehow wrong. But as I get the same results from numerous other calculators, I can only assume it's right. The problem you run into pretty quickly is that the supposedly 6 hours of inescapable lethality at 35C occurs regularly around the world, and often significantly higher. And people, in general,…

I don't know where on earth you got those numbers for Houston from... that would be a world record by an amazing margin. Very few places to date have recorded wet bulb temps above 35 degrees. I can only assume you are putting incorrect readings into the calculators. Are you making sure to put the temperature at the time of the humidity reading, since they reach their maximums at very different times of the day. If yo…

This could well be it. It never really occurred to me how radically the humidity changes throughout the day. I suspect this is because as the humidity rises the temperature is in a low and vice versa. So it feels like a relative equilibrium, but it's not. It'll be interesting to check out the by-the-hour data the next time a particularly mean hot+wet window emerges.

Re: Nobody's Driving

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Post by orangea »

seszett wrote: post #12

That's rather off-topic but this article picture, with a woman pointing a gun at her head, finger on the trigger, intrigued me, so I followed the link to Adobe's stock photos. The photo is this one: https://stock.adobe.com/images/cheerful-woman-in-car-trip-jo... There isn't a mention, anywhere in the tags, title, of the gun pointed at her own head . She's just a smiling, cheerful, attractive young woman on vacation s…

I think the picture isn't supposed to imply she's going to shoot herself, she's just holding a gun and she doesn't care that she's doing it in an unsafe way because she's an actor and it's a prop gun.

Re: Nobody's Driving

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Post by somenameforme »

CalRobert wrote: post #33
somenameforme wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everybody. Lots of people work outdoors for 6+ hour shifts, have transport jobs without AC, and so on. You could also consider primitive cultures. I know the Amazon can get upwards of 40C. I am not as familiar with the humidity on these days, beyond the fact that it's hella humid. And 40C + 70% = 35 wet bulb. If the 35 wet bulb hypothesis was valid, then literally one solitary day of this, regardless of how infre…

Perhaps you should contact the researchers who are cited at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature#Highest_r... because you appear to have independently discovered new global records.

Lots of dumb things have happened because people just assume somebody else would have checked [x], where [x] is something painfully trivial. My favorite example is NASA destroying a Martian orbiter [1]. Thousands of people involved in a NASA project carried out over 5 years, at the cost of about half a billion dollars. The mission was a failure because nobody bothered to ensure that the systems were all using the same units of measurement - one system was using metric, the other customary.

If something doesn't make sense to you, keeping it to yourself achieves little. At worst you learn something, at best - it's because something was wrong.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter

Re: Nobody's Driving

#40

Post by satisfice »

A shallow and weirdly slanted analysis.

Yes we are all going down and there is little we can do about it. So find meaning where you can and be kind to your neighbor.

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