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Re: Nobody's Driving

#21
I pretty much felt the same when I was a teenager. We're polluting the planet, destroying our habitat. We knew about climate change all the way back then. I'm gen X, and nothing much has changed.

The only difference I can see is that not many people seemed to feel like that when I was a kid. It would make you some kind of hippy tree hugger.

At least kids these days seem to be more aware of these things.

Re: Nobody's Driving

#22

This article perfectly encapsulates the current insanity that's infecting the young generation. To be honest it almost got me too. Global warming can be solved. We're already transitioning to green energy at an amazing pace. Geo engineering is a solution in the meantime (which she dismisses completely without reason "which could either cool the planet or kill us all even faster."). Once we've built out an over capaci…

>The real crisis is that people are not having kids

People aren't having kids because of the cost and the stress of living when combined with the cost and stress of raising kids sums to something too high for parents to bear.

Capitalists want you to ignore that calculation and simply sacrifice your health and time for the next generation while paying a sky-high cost of living that it created that requires both parents to be working. The economic conditions for life to thrive are becoming dim, and it's becoming rather obvious even to people who suck at valuing their time and worth. And climate change is a threat layered on top of that.

>The solution: AGI, robotics and longevity are all things that the doomers are actively opposed to.

These things will only go to the rich too, so not-rich people don't see it as a solution.

Re: Nobody's Driving

#23

This article perfectly encapsulates the current insanity that's infecting the young generation. To be honest it almost got me too. Global warming can be solved. We're already transitioning to green energy at an amazing pace. Geo engineering is a solution in the meantime (which she dismisses completely without reason "which could either cool the planet or kill us all even faster."). Once we've built out an over capaci…

> Geo engineering is a solution in the meantime (which she dismisses completely without reason "which could either cool the planet or kill us all even faster.")

Geo engineering has exactly the same issue as ecosystem engineering, when we tried that without understanding the systems in play we simply create a gigantic game of whack-a-mole, with rats, cats, rabbits, so on and so forth.

We don't understand enough to be confident we are able to do geo engineering without massive unforeseen consequences. It's such a complex system, with interactions that we are not equipped to predict (or even have a good comprehension), that the thought we can "just geo engineer in the meantime" is, to me, of incredible naïvety... It's a belief in technology completely unfounded, as if technology is magic, borderline deus ex machina. Just because we can create some technology does not mean we do understand the consequences of applying said technology on a global scale to mess up with climate systems, we simply don't know what might happen.

Are you willing to bet the future of your children, grandchildren, etc. on unproven technology? I'm not. Geo engineering is not going to save us, stop believing in magic.

Re: Nobody's Driving

#24

This article perfectly encapsulates the current insanity that's infecting the young generation. To be honest it almost got me too. Global warming can be solved. We're already transitioning to green energy at an amazing pace. Geo engineering is a solution in the meantime (which she dismisses completely without reason "which could either cool the planet or kill us all even faster."). Once we've built out an over capaci…

People are having heaps of kids. The population is increasing. Births continue to outpace deaths.

Re: Nobody's Driving

#25
post #8

I agree 100% on the conclusion: nobody's driving. In particular, the fact that teens are sad is disturbing. If teens (do you remember how happy and fun life was when you were teens?) are sad, imagine how they will become when they are adults. However, I am not really convinced about the list of effects and reasons that the author proposes. From the article, it seems that climate change is the number 1 reason why teen…

> do you remember how happy and fun life was when you were teens?

No, I do not. I was sad, as were most teens I knew (perhaps, admittedly, selection bias).

Re: Nobody's Driving

#26

This article perfectly encapsulates the current insanity that's infecting the young generation. To be honest it almost got me too. Global warming can be solved. We're already transitioning to green energy at an amazing pace. Geo engineering is a solution in the meantime (which she dismisses completely without reason "which could either cool the planet or kill us all even faster."). Once we've built out an over capaci…

Perhaps it will make sense to worry about depopulation when we've had several decades of reductions in human population. Would it be a bad thing if the world had 2 billion people in the year 2300? Would it be better to have a slow reduction in population because the TFR was below 2 for a couple centuries, or a crash when we exceed our planet's carrying capacity? Hand-waving about "geoengineering will fix it" doesn't seem like a good faith argument, given that it has been described as very risky by well informed people.

Re: Nobody's Driving

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"nothing more important than climate change. Nothing more important than affirming their gender. Nothing more important than paying their loans" What do you mean, exactly? That adults are focused on the various challenges they face in life?

I mean that these are great things to fight for, but I think it can't be the full horizon of someone's life. Because these fights don't justify themselves with their own importance. Why is it important to fight climate change? Why is it important to figure out how to pay your loans?

I suppose that depends on one's personal philosophical views. Why is it important to continue to exist? Is it, even?

Fuck it, dude. Let's go bowling.

Re: Nobody's Driving

#28
If you think the problems created by previous generations are bad, just wait until the upcoming generation starts over-correcting for things they have zero understanding of.

This young author is wearing "doomer" like a fashion accessory and it shows. It's dripping with ignorance and stupidity. Although, I suppose if the education system has failed her that badly, perhaps she has at least one valid complaint.

Re: Nobody's Driving

#29
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here [1] is a wet bulb calculator. The first time I started playing with it, I actually assumed it was must have been somehow wrong. But as I get the same results from numerous other calculators, I can only assume it's right. The problem you run into pretty quickly is that the supposedly 6 hours of inescapable lethality at 35C occurs regularly around the world, and often significantly higher. And people, in general,…

Wet bulb temps are lethal if you don't have external cooling. Houston has AC and cold water though.

Not everybody. Lots of people work outdoors for 6+ hour shifts, have transport jobs without AC, and so on. You could also consider primitive cultures. I know the Amazon can get upwards of 40C. I am not as familiar with the humidity on these days, beyond the fact that it's hella humid. And 40C + 70% = 35 wet bulb.

If the 35 wet bulb hypothesis was valid, then literally one solitary day of this, regardless of how infrequent, would have killed everybody in the Amazon. There are also many other areas along the equator with high temperature, high humidity, and lots of people without access to AC. Something just doesn't seem right.

Re: Nobody's Driving

#30

> A climate protestor went on the news in Britain and tried to warn everyone about wet bulb temperatures and heat stroke. The news anchors started snickering at him. They told him to grow up. Would love to see this interview.

Here [1] is a wet bulb calculator. The first time I started playing with it, I actually assumed it was must have been somehow wrong. But as I get the same results from numerous other calculators, I can only assume it's right. The problem you run into pretty quickly is that the supposedly 6 hours of inescapable lethality at 35C occurs regularly around the world, and often significantly higher. And people, in general,…

I don't know where on earth you got those numbers for Houston from... that would be a world record by an amazing margin. Very few places to date have recorded wet bulb temps above 35 degrees.

I can only assume you are putting incorrect readings into the calculators.

Are you making sure to put the temperature at the time of the humidity reading, since they reach their maximums at very different times of the day. If you just put max temp and humidity readings for a day in you are going to be wildly wrong.

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