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Re: Flexport CEO resigns a year after joining logistics company

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3) Amazon grad takes hold of a freight forwarder, and then realizes freight forwarding is not a tech company, nor is it just warehousing and distribution. And then realizes his competitors rely as much on grizzled logistics veterans and their corporate knowledge about customs brokerage and how to Get Shit Done and Get Shit From Point A to Point B as they do on a cool tech stack. And then goes "shit." Don't get me wro…

This is a very nice sentiment but the truth is that the established forwarders operate in a way that is could be greatly optimized. Established forwarders (and Flexport) have teams of people that "move" shipments by applying an SOP (basically a written algorithm for advancing the shipment to signals that come in from a variety of sources (an origin factory various carriers like truckers, airlines and shipping lines,…

> I've pulled back the curtain on logistics and the wizard is just a regular guy.

I agree, but land at a different conclusion.

I dabbled in logistics a bit at one startup and the thing I found true is that every warehouse and receiving dock did things a little different and sometimes that thing was computer software and other times it was a person with sticky notes all over the walls of their tiny office by the bay door who was on 2-3 phone calls at a time screaming at/being screamed at by people moving goods around the city/state/country/world.

Logistics has a ton of room to optimize and I’m sure we’ll continue to see billion dollar startups roll out every year solving some part of it, but in the day-to-day operations of supply chain, change is so incredibly hard. The middle layer of management always seemed so risk averse to making any changes that had the slightest risk of disrupting their existing workflow because if one day they goof something up it quickly spiraled down the chain.

Re: Flexport CEO resigns a year after joining logistics company

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his failure to rent a canoe and solve a coastal trucking backlog through a viral twitter thread about the height of containers was simply untenable

What are you referring to?

probably the time flexport's founder went on a twitter rant about how the port of LA was effectively shut down

Re: Flexport CEO resigns a year after joining logistics company

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3) Amazon grad takes hold of a freight forwarder, and then realizes freight forwarding is not a tech company, nor is it just warehousing and distribution. And then realizes his competitors rely as much on grizzled logistics veterans and their corporate knowledge about customs brokerage and how to Get Shit Done and Get Shit From Point A to Point B as they do on a cool tech stack. And then goes "shit." Don't get me wro…

This is a very nice sentiment but the truth is that the established forwarders operate in a way that is could be greatly optimized. Established forwarders (and Flexport) have teams of people that "move" shipments by applying an SOP (basically a written algorithm for advancing the shipment to signals that come in from a variety of sources (an origin factory various carriers like truckers, airlines and shipping lines,…

You're not technically wrong, but it's also a much more complex and ever-changing problem set that you're giving it credit for. If it was so easy, Flexport stock would be the next Amazon. What they have going for them is a tech stack that doesn't have 40 years of accumulated crap.

But your description of what goes on at the branch level smacks of someone who has a CS degree and thinks that this means they can engineer the world. Dave Snowden of Cynefin fame has some choice words regarding software engineers who don't realize that human endeavors have what he calls "messy coherence," and think they can optimize the "messy" out of it, forgetting that they're dealing with humans.

There's a lot of ways Flexport could capitalize on the silliness of some of its competitors. But its competitors are also not staffed by idiots, and if it was so easy to automate everything, it would have been automated 20 years ago.

Re: Flexport CEO resigns a year after joining logistics company

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I'm sure there's some juicy details behind the curtains, but people are too professional to air it publicly. Here's some fun but baseless theories: 1) Typical big-company guy fails to adapt to startup life. A year ago, Flexport's tech team was 400 people. That's minuscule compared to what Dave's used to at Amazon. He came in, insisted on a bunch of unnecessary hiring, bloated the tech team with deadwood, internal kin…

combo 1 & 2, can substitute AMZN w/other large corps…

I see & hear you. ;)

Re: Flexport CEO resigns a year after joining logistics company

#95

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This is a very nice sentiment but the truth is that the established forwarders operate in a way that is could be greatly optimized. Established forwarders (and Flexport) have teams of people that "move" shipments by applying an SOP (basically a written algorithm for advancing the shipment to signals that come in from a variety of sources (an origin factory various carriers like truckers, airlines and shipping lines,…

> I've pulled back the curtain on logistics and the wizard is just a regular guy. I agree, but land at a different conclusion. I dabbled in logistics a bit at one startup and the thing I found true is that every warehouse and receiving dock did things a little different and sometimes that thing was computer software and other times it was a person with sticky notes all over the walls of their tiny office by the bay d…

All of this.

Re: Flexport CEO resigns a year after joining logistics company

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I vote for the more mundane: 3) Bored mega-millionaire wants a neat hobby to try for a year. His previous Amazon compensation for 2021 was $56 million[1], so it's not like he needs to try anymore, or make money basically ever again. 12 months later he's still bored. Maybe he quit to spend more time bathing in bathtubs full of hundred dollar bills. 1: https://fortune.com/2022/06/08/amazon-former-no-2-dave-clark...

IME you don't make $56 million by being the type of person who is looking for a neat hobby to try for a year. It's not about the money for these types. If it was they would've retired long ago, before they became top lieutenants.

Some of them talk openly about running companies as a hobby. You need something to do with the remaining decades.

Re: Flexport CEO resigns a year after joining logistics company

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3) Amazon grad takes hold of a freight forwarder, and then realizes freight forwarding is not a tech company, nor is it just warehousing and distribution. And then realizes his competitors rely as much on grizzled logistics veterans and their corporate knowledge about customs brokerage and how to Get Shit Done and Get Shit From Point A to Point B as they do on a cool tech stack. And then goes "shit." Don't get me wro…

This is a very nice sentiment but the truth is that the established forwarders operate in a way that is could be greatly optimized. Established forwarders (and Flexport) have teams of people that "move" shipments by applying an SOP (basically a written algorithm for advancing the shipment to signals that come in from a variety of sources (an origin factory various carriers like truckers, airlines and shipping lines,…

May I ask what are you doing now?

Do you still see room in the space? Would love to collaborate ( have an Eng background and affinity for sales)

Re: Flexport CEO resigns a year after joining logistics company

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The thing to keep in mind is that they have competitors still eating their lunch while running 40+ year-old COBOL backends which have their IS departments tearing their hair out regularly. It's as if the efficacy of a business isn't completely positively correlated with the coolness of its tech stack. I work for one of their competitors, and I'd kill for their tech stack. But ultimately their business revolves around…

I interviewed with them in 2018 and at least at the time (much much smaller company of course) everyone there was very focused on the tech being an enabler for the logistics people. Their claim at the time was that all of the projects they pitched as possible work were driven by feedback from the front line people. Maybe that wasn’t true then, or maybe it’s changed, or maybe it’s still true but it’s not enough?

The problem IMO is scaling the logistics side of the house. No one cares how cool your tech is unless/until you can move shit from Point A to Point B at scale, and handle the same big problems as, an Expeditors, UPS Global Logistics, DHL, Kuehne + Nagel, or DSV Panalpina.

Re: Flexport CEO resigns a year after joining logistics company

#99

Good for them. Dave Clark is a stain on humanity. Horrible horrible human.

I'm curious, what's the story behind him? I heard him talk at a conference once and thought his insights were somewhat benign for someone in his position, but he didn't strike me as evil. Just uninteresting, I guess.

He's evil; a level of sinister and corrupt that should be investigated. As in, he needs to be held liable in the Amazon lawsuit, alongside Amazon, as a co-defendant.

Re: Flexport CEO resigns a year after joining logistics company

#100
post #10

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So many people in leadership at top companies just won the start-up lottery as a junior employee and had the internal drive to get promo at all costs to gradually get to the top. As soon as they leave the bubble it’s clear how few real skills they possess. Likewise, the degree to which Director+ jobs just hire based on current title at a competitor alone is bonkers. I’ve worked under people who are utterly clueless b…

What gets me is that they have no idea how awful they are at what they do.

What’s worse is they don’t care.
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