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UK pulls back from clash with Big Tech over private messaging

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Re: UK pulls back from clash with Big Tech over private messaging

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Post by tremon »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #24
jjgreen wrote: post #2

This didn't even make the evening news, the Rolling Stones have a new album out!

I feel it can be said, without "conspiracy" or paranoia, that there's a widespread will to bury all activity around this bill. Government doesn't want it debated or scrutinised. Tech companies want it to go away. The media doesn't understand it and cannot communicate the issues. People are scared or too pre-polarised to take a position. It's been kicked into the long grass by 4 prime-ministers. Even mentioning here t…

That "other comment" of yours did nothing of the sort. You merely stated "it's something we strongly support" without further elaboration or explanation.

Re: UK pulls back from clash with Big Tech over private messaging

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Post by [deleted] »

Jigsy wrote: post #52
nonrandomstring wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Through most of history government always has the power, but the question is whether it has the legitimacy. In this case it has the legitimacy, but lacks the power. This is an unusual turn. We need online safety for kids. The aims of this bill should obtain widespread support from everyone. But instead of carefully researching and implementing difficult ideas, framing it properly and obtaining permission from the peo…

Online safety for kids begins at home. The problem is most parents are just too lazy.

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Re: UK pulls back from clash with Big Tech over private messaging

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Post by gdcbe »

lapetitejort wrote: post #105
DubiousPusher wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be a fundamental human right to have and communicate secrets. That's the end of the story for me. There should be things the state simply cannot touch not just things which it should not touch.

Take a step back from communicating secrets. It should be a fundamental human right to perform math. That's what they're trying to ban. Some equations are apparently too powerful to be performed by lowly humans.

Math isn’t the same as what you do with Math though. Math is the science of patterns. As such following your reason you could apply the same to anything that is a crime today and say it’s your way to express your relationship with Math.

Just to be clear I’m all for encryption and our right to do so, but I feel that equating this to our defence for math is a couple bridges too far?

Re: UK pulls back from clash with Big Tech over private messaging

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Post by Clamchop »

codeptualize wrote: post #85

You see this time and time again, some initiative to "just introduce some backdoors, what could go wrong", and then it takes some time for people who understand what it actually means to convince them that it is in fact a really bad idea and it would be a giant disaster.

Unfortunately I suspect they will just keep trying it out over and over until the public gets too exhausted to rally against it anymore.

Re: UK pulls back from clash with Big Tech over private messaging

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Post by aembleton »

traceroute66 wrote: post #70
thinkingemote wrote: post #27

So it seems from the news that it was industry that forced this, but do we know how effective our campaigning and emails to MPs were? Or just some un-noteworthy political cog wheel action? How could we find out? Do the reasons get leaked unofficially usually?

> do we know how effective our campaigning and emails to MPs were? Campaigning to your MP is and always has been a waste of time. In addition, the "safer" their seat, the more of a waste of space the MP is because they know their constituents would vote for a pig if the right coloured rosette pinned to it. Most of the time they don't bother replying, and then if they do reply, you get a two-page party political broad…

Depends on the mp, but I've had success emailing them after getting all that standard blurb. They actual seen human then.

Re: UK pulls back from clash with Big Tech over private messaging

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Post by MattPalmer1086 »

ChrisKnott wrote: post #76
thereddaikon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People might be more receptive if the UK government had shown any real intention of going after pedos before this. But the number of scandals and coverups indicate they dont. And this is little more than an excuse to make it easier to spy on their subjects.

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What has the UK government done to protect children recently? In the last decade, say.

Re: UK pulls back from clash with Big Tech over private messaging

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Post by basisword »

ChrisKnott wrote: post #76
thereddaikon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People might be more receptive if the UK government had shown any real intention of going after pedos before this. But the number of scandals and coverups indicate they dont. And this is little more than an excuse to make it easier to spy on their subjects.

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Just yesterday it became clear the foreign office will not release files relating to Prince Andrew until 2065 - long after he's dead. Seems like a pretty obvious cover up.

Re: UK pulls back from clash with Big Tech over private messaging

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Post by basisword »

anonymous_sorry wrote: post #79
Jigsy wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Online safety for kids begins at home. The problem is most parents are just too lazy.

Or too busy? In plenty of families both parents have to work hard to make ends meet. Not helped by the fact that children are growing up in a completely different environment to the one their parents remember. Familiarizing myself with TikTok or whatever the kids are into these days would fill me with dread. And the way platforms work means my experience of them would differ dramatically from a child's anyway.

>> Familiarizing myself with TikTok or whatever the kids are into these days would fill me with dread.

You don't need to. Don't give them devices until they're 16, and then implement the built in parental controls that come on every smartphone. When they are 18 and can buy their own, they can do what they want. I'm guessing your actual issue isn't familiarizing yourself with TikTok etc, but is instead facing conflict. I'm not saying it would be easy but pretending the above isn't a workable solution is self-deception.

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