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Re: All Librem 5 smartphones have shipped

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Post by cesarb »

dsco wrote: post #58
robrtsql wrote: post #45

I have a Librem 5. It's currently collecting dust in my closet. I was enticed by the idea of having a user-replaceable battery (my last phone upgrade was 100% motivated by battery life problems). However, the Librem 5's battery is basically as bad as my Google Pixel's was after degrading for several years. The evening I opened it, I set it down after tinkering with it for a little bit and came back the next day to it…

Could this be a software issue? Did you check if there are background processes draining your battery?

> Did you check if there are background processes draining your battery?

These kinds of problems are often not background processes, but instead parts of the hardware which haven't been powered off or power gated correctly; even a small leak of a few mA could be enough to drain a battery much more quickly than the user would expect.

Re: All Librem 5 smartphones have shipped

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Post by jolmg »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #76
robrtsql wrote: post #45

I have a Librem 5. It's currently collecting dust in my closet. I was enticed by the idea of having a user-replaceable battery (my last phone upgrade was 100% motivated by battery life problems). However, the Librem 5's battery is basically as bad as my Google Pixel's was after degrading for several years. The evening I opened it, I set it down after tinkering with it for a little bit and came back the next day to it…

It would have been helpful to specify the time when you had that disappointing experience with the Librem, and then put in the closet. At least for PinePhone, going to 1% within a day was a flaw of very early software, and good hibernation settings were released years ago already. That said, I wouldn’t recommend the current Linux phones. Years after I got my PinePhone, the experience still pales compared to my old No…

> I wonder if the lack of a physical keyboard discourages hacking.

You can still use whatever bluetooth keyboard you have on hand. I don't think that's a serious issue.

Re: All Librem 5 smartphones have shipped

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Post by Tommstein »

MostlyStable wrote: post #74
LoganDark wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I miss the days when you could get a rootable phone that could run the latest LineageOS for like $80. (That's how much it was for my Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE which was extremely rootable.)

I miss the days when there was hardware differentiation at any price. There is literally one brand of phone right now that both A) has a headphone jack and B) doesn't have some kind of screen cutout for the selfie camera, and that's the Sony Xperia line. Despite the price (their entire line of current models is >$1000), I would probably pay it (or buy an older year model on ebay) except that they are not compatible w…

I almost said something along those lines too, how the skyrocketing prices have come alongside increasingly homogeneous boring phones with fewer features, but absolutely. I was recently going through my old HTC EVO 3D, and I would give my left nut to get that 3-D technology back in a new phone, the pictures and videos put you back in the moment in ways 2-D can't. Incidentally, I also just upgraded last week from my old Sony Xperia 5 II to a Sony Xperia 5 III. Which hopefully lasts a long time, because Sony is also removing features; the 5 III added a second zoom lens, but the 5 IV regressed to a single smaller one, and the just-announced 5 V removes the telephoto lens completely.

Re: All Librem 5 smartphones have shipped

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Post by charcircuit »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #7
selectodude wrote: post #5

Why do they keep getting more expensive? $1299??

Because suckers continue to pay. I have not paid that for my lifetime total of smart phones. Sure, my phone is out of date and some lesser stats. But for half the performance (which used to be called great performance at one time) I pay 5% the price.

Ironically your cheap phone may have higher specs than the Librem 5.

Re: All Librem 5 smartphones have shipped

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

jolmg wrote: post #92
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would have been helpful to specify the time when you had that disappointing experience with the Librem, and then put in the closet. At least for PinePhone, going to 1% within a day was a flaw of very early software, and good hibernation settings were released years ago already. That said, I wouldn’t recommend the current Linux phones. Years after I got my PinePhone, the experience still pales compared to my old No…

> I wonder if the lack of a physical keyboard discourages hacking. You can still use whatever bluetooth keyboard you have on hand. I don't think that's a serious issue.

A lot of the hacking I did on the Nokia N900, I did while standing in queues at shops or riding on buses. The built-in keyboard made that easy. Sure, I could use a Bluetooth keyboard with the current Linux phones, but it is not as convenient.

Re: All Librem 5 smartphones have shipped

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Post by pengaru »

rjsw wrote: post #60
pengaru wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think pine64's business model is to pursue sales volume, but it's unclear to me if there's enough buyers of linux phones for that approach to be sustainable long-term. Maybe if they can keep refreshing their model with regular hardware upgrades, they can milk their base. Having a pine64 style competitor is problematic for Purism since it's cannibalizing their sales. It's likely contributing to the even higher price…

Pine64 makes several products that don't overlap with Purism ones.

Sure, I'm just talking about the ones that do, the phones.

Re: All Librem 5 smartphones have shipped

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Post by oever »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #76
robrtsql wrote: post #45

I have a Librem 5. It's currently collecting dust in my closet. I was enticed by the idea of having a user-replaceable battery (my last phone upgrade was 100% motivated by battery life problems). However, the Librem 5's battery is basically as bad as my Google Pixel's was after degrading for several years. The evening I opened it, I set it down after tinkering with it for a little bit and came back the next day to it…

It would have been helpful to specify the time when you had that disappointing experience with the Librem, and then put in the closet. At least for PinePhone, going to 1% within a day was a flaw of very early software, and good hibernation settings were released years ago already. That said, I wouldn’t recommend the current Linux phones. Years after I got my PinePhone, the experience still pales compared to my old No…

The battery of my Librem 5 (L5v1-05) only lasts a night when doing nothing. I charge it in the evening and in the morning it's nearly empty.

This is with no SIM, just wifi. Kernel is 6.3.0-1-librem5 on PostOS 10 (beryllium). GNOME 3.38.5.

The battery life has been like this since I received it in March 2021.

Re: All Librem 5 smartphones have shipped

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Post by sentientslug »

LoganDark wrote: post #79
MostlyStable wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I miss the days when there was hardware differentiation at any price. There is literally one brand of phone right now that both A) has a headphone jack and B) doesn't have some kind of screen cutout for the selfie camera, and that's the Sony Xperia line. Despite the price (their entire line of current models is >$1000), I would probably pay it (or buy an older year model on ebay) except that they are not compatible w…

B is super important to me, so my phone right now is a OnePlus 7 Pro. It was one of the last models ever made that can still pass SafetyNet while rooted (due to being whitelisted for "basic" / non-hardware-backed attestation). Unfortunately now it's several versions out of date and will stay that way for the foreseeable future, on top of the fact that nobody's figured out how to lock the bootloader on a custom ROM, d…

Yikes, that issue you opened is like the exact opposite of proper etiquette for asking maintainers of open source software to help you. Basically what you’re doing is making a feature request, there is no bug or issue with TWRP as multiple people told you on GitHub. It’s absolutely not cool to continue to hound open source contributors for timelines like that. You’re not their boss, if it’s such an important issue to you fix it yourself and create a pull/merge request.

Re: All Librem 5 smartphones have shipped

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Post by oever »

robrtsql wrote: post #45

I have a Librem 5. It's currently collecting dust in my closet. I was enticed by the idea of having a user-replaceable battery (my last phone upgrade was 100% motivated by battery life problems). However, the Librem 5's battery is basically as bad as my Google Pixel's was after degrading for several years. The evening I opened it, I set it down after tinkering with it for a little bit and came back the next day to it…

Purism acknowledges that battery life is abysmal. The phone has two modes: Idle and Standby. Idle supposedly gives 10h of battery and Standby gives 20h but no mobile data, no wifi, and no alarm.

https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-battery-life-improved-by-100/>

Re: All Librem 5 smartphones have shipped

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Post by h4ch1 »

LoganDark wrote: post #79
MostlyStable wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I miss the days when there was hardware differentiation at any price. There is literally one brand of phone right now that both A) has a headphone jack and B) doesn't have some kind of screen cutout for the selfie camera, and that's the Sony Xperia line. Despite the price (their entire line of current models is >$1000), I would probably pay it (or buy an older year model on ebay) except that they are not compatible w…

B is super important to me, so my phone right now is a OnePlus 7 Pro. It was one of the last models ever made that can still pass SafetyNet while rooted (due to being whitelisted for "basic" / non-hardware-backed attestation). Unfortunately now it's several versions out of date and will stay that way for the foreseeable future, on top of the fact that nobody's figured out how to lock the bootloader on a custom ROM, d…

I saw the issue you created and the comments, and they're pretty demanding IMO. It may be a grave problem and hypothetically the devs missed it and you're correct, instead of constantly adding new comments you can try forking and adding that option yourself.

The devs will be grateful, your problem will be resolved and you'll probably feel better about the whole situation.

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