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China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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These are older devices, and most of them are sold out already. That T3 10 is now over 6 years old, for example.

The p60 pro is released this year and available: https://www.newegg.com/p/23B-001M-007X6

Global version and carries no warranty, meaning imported. You can find all sorts of weird imported stuff in Amazon and NewEgg from third party sellers.

Still not legal for US companies to distribute Huawei phones, though.

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> My tinfoil hat theory is that they find it harder to hack iPhones to monitor their government officials. It is a fact that certain US agencies required Blackberry or Android, rather than iOS on iPhone, for this reason.

I believe this is no longer true. iOS devices are allowed in the DoD, for example.

I think it depends on whether the use is classified or not. I'm not aware of iPhone supporting red/black separation, not to mention a model without cameras for use in secure environments.

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Sure, but data on Chinese users isn't allowed to leave China, so that Tesla HQ closet won't be very useful in this case.

In the same way that Microsoft's EU data isn't somehow ending up at the NSA in the US, lol? There's no way that the Chinese gov actually believes that Chinese Tesla data stays in China.

Your assumption is that breaking data protection laws in the West has anywhere near the same sort of consequences as in China. The Chinese government doesn't have to believe or assume anything, and even Elon Musk avoids anything but praise for China.

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I believe this is no longer true. iOS devices are allowed in the DoD, for example.

I think it depends on whether the use is classified or not. I'm not aware of iPhone supporting red/black separation, not to mention a model without cameras for use in secure environments.

I'm not aware of any consumer phone that would follow a pure red/black architecture.

There are a bunch that are CNSSP-11 compliant, though: https://www.nsa.gov/Resources/Commercial-Solutions-for-Class...

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Yes, except US is not trying to destroy China while China seems to be secretly dreaming of destroying the West and becoming a global authoritarian hegemon. All after the US did for them.

why do you think that? like sure, i suppose every nation dreams of being the top dog ruling the world, and China even has a realistic shot at it but i never got any 'we want to destroy the west' vibes from China

The best example of we want to destroy the west vibes is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atBDuJBuKpQ

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> unknown supply chain attacks. Is that the case given that iPhones are manufactured in China? My tinfoil hat theory is that they find it harder to hack iPhones to monitor their government officials.

> My tinfoil hat theory is that they find it harder to hack iPhones to monitor their government officials. It is a fact that certain US agencies required Blackberry or Android, rather than iOS on iPhone, for this reason.

Source?

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Got any evidence?

Every security lab I’ve ever been around was picking lots of low hanging fruit from the fertile tree of that infotainment system.

Do you have any evidence for this?

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>the West dominates You mean the US dominates. I don't see any EU, Canadian or Australian designed smart-phones, Office365, Google, Chat-GPT, AWS, I can buy reaching critical mass. Edit: INB4 the chip hipsters who found out about ASML during the pandemic chip shortage, chime in with "but muh ASML is European!". Yes, it is European(Dutch), it's also based on EUV tech licensed from the US, and has EUV light sources at…

Most big US HW/SW companies do have a significant presence in Europe and some other places like Israel, it's not like Europe has a lack of engineers and scientists capable of building this stuff, they are just mostly working for US companies

> it's not like Europe has a lack of engineers and scientists capable of building this stuff

That wasn't my point. We have engineers, but we have no local champions. ASML, SAP and Spotify can't balance out what the US has.

>they are just mostly working for US companies

THAT was my point. Europe has a lack of local top tech companies and our brightest minds are working to build up the US tech sector instead of the domestic one.

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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> unknown supply chain attacks. Is that the case given that iPhones are manufactured in China? My tinfoil hat theory is that they find it harder to hack iPhones to monitor their government officials.

The hardware is made in China but not the software. So it probably depends on how much oversight of the software the CCP has, and this decision implies not enough for their comfort.

Is it impossible for an adversary in China to modify an iPhone during manufacture in a way that Apple can't detect?
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