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Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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Post by morkalork »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #8
meyum33 wrote: post #6

They’ve banned Teslas from government compounds and big state-owned companies for a few years. There are even occasional reports of Tesla cars being diverted from certain roads for reasons the police wouldn’t disclose. Edit: It could be retaliations against US sanctions. But there’s a difference: All these kinds of orders are made without any written documents. These are just part of the general decline of the rule o…

Tesla concern is autopilot cameras shipping images back to Tesla, which is valid; Tesla does ship stills back for training if enabled in the data sharing configuration.

Could the US government slip Tesla one of those nifty national security letters and get themselves a closet off some server room at Tesla HQ? It's not like they'd be spying on US citizens in China.

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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Post by smoldesu »

jcrash wrote: post #17

Wouldn't be surprised if this is because the phones are TOO secure. Maybe they want them to use phones with built-in back-doors so they can keep an eye on them.

I'd doubt it. Apple regularly provides the Chinese government with device data[0], and iCloud data is already stored in state-owned[1] servers. I struggle to imagine what more surveillance you could ask for.

[0] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/cn.html

[1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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Post by dheera »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #8
meyum33 wrote: post #6

They’ve banned Teslas from government compounds and big state-owned companies for a few years. There are even occasional reports of Tesla cars being diverted from certain roads for reasons the police wouldn’t disclose. Edit: It could be retaliations against US sanctions. But there’s a difference: All these kinds of orders are made without any written documents. These are just part of the general decline of the rule o…

Tesla concern is autopilot cameras shipping images back to Tesla, which is valid; Tesla does ship stills back for training if enabled in the data sharing configuration.

What about humans with prosthetic silicon eyes? We'll have more of those going into the future. They'll be able to export video and images as well.

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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Post by baby »

smugma wrote: post #2

“China’s restriction mirrors similar bans in the U.S. against Huawei Technologies as well as against officials using Chinese-owned TikTok”

This is the correct explanation. And that makes sense as well.

I think another insight might be that the Chinese gov doesn’t really like when large companies can influence their decisions. I’d imagine that if everyone in the gov has an iPhone it makes it harder to be tough on Tim Apple.

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Post by dooglius »

jcrash wrote: post #16
yohannparis wrote: post #5

I mean, seems fair to have a huge US company with an history of giving most of their data to their government to not be used.

History? You mean like all those times they refuse to open phones for the government? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_d...

When it's a public request, and the people involved are already dead, there can be this kind of public spectacle. Apple was part of PRISM as per Snowden's leaks, and as cited in the wiki page, Snowden further claims regarding this specific case that the FBI was already perfectly capable of decrypting the device.

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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Post by kalupa »

morkalork wrote: post #31
toomuchtodo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla concern is autopilot cameras shipping images back to Tesla, which is valid; Tesla does ship stills back for training if enabled in the data sharing configuration.

Could the US government slip Tesla one of those nifty national security letters and get themselves a closet off some server room at Tesla HQ? It's not like they'd be spying on US citizens in China.

is anyone saying that doesn't already exist?

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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Post by plagiarist »

morkalork wrote: post #31
toomuchtodo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla concern is autopilot cameras shipping images back to Tesla, which is valid; Tesla does ship stills back for training if enabled in the data sharing configuration.

Could the US government slip Tesla one of those nifty national security letters and get themselves a closet off some server room at Tesla HQ? It's not like they'd be spying on US citizens in China.

Why would they need a closet? Tesla probably gives them regular torrent links

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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Post by smoldesu »

jcrash wrote: post #16
yohannparis wrote: post #5

I mean, seems fair to have a huge US company with an history of giving most of their data to their government to not be used.

History? You mean like all those times they refuse to open phones for the government? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_d...

> In 2015 and 2016, Apple Inc. received and objected to or challenged at least 11 orders issued by United States district courts

Compared to the thousands of requests they received and fulfilled in that time: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html

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