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Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…

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#142

I want to know how these license agreements work, legally speaking? We bought a new car and signed the purchase agreement. Nowhere was there anything resembling a software license. Some months later, the display has a pop-up "our terms and conditions have changed". Um...which terms would those be, and when did we ever agree to them? Anyway, how can they make a one-sided change to a contract?

Here's the relevant legalese from Toyota: "By purchasing or leasing a vehicle equipped with an active Connected Services system, you specifically consent to our electronic collection and use of your account information and vehicle data and our storage of such data wherever we designate." "Fun" right?

Does the new owner of a used vehicle have to sign this too? And if this was skipped during the selling process, is the data now collected in the name of the previous owner?

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

#143

Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…

The touchscreens are really a dealbreaker on new cars.

They’re not just prone to quick obsolescence, they’re dangerous.

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

#144
The biggest problem I have is tracking that the government has access to. We're in a situation where the government knows everywhere your phone has been, and everywhere your car has been. I doubt we're far from the gov't being able to de-activate your car at will also.

I would like to have privacy from corporations, but I really wish we'd keep the focus on privacy from our governments, since they have such ultimate power over us.

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

#146

Also, as a PSA: Your local state government sells car registration data to data brokers and car manufacturers. It is often used for behavioral targeting.

I used to work for a state motor vehicle agency. Federal law requires the manufacturers get your up to date mail address for recall purposes. Legislators make sure that the agencies sell that data (this is the source of those "we've been trying to reach you about your vehicle's warranty" letters/calls). Sometimes they interfere to ensure that their buddies/lobbyists don't pay for it.

I doubt these datasets have anything to do with the "we've been trying to reach you about your vehicle's warranty" calls, as I know people who got a lot of those calls but never owned a vehicle (some were even minors!). Every time I listened to one of their messages it never had any actual targeted car information.

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

#147

Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…

The touchscreens are really a dealbreaker on new cars. They’re not just prone to quick obsolescence, they’re dangerous.

I hate them so much. Otherwise great cars are completely ruined by touchscreens. What was wrong with tactile knobs you could operate one handed without looking? You’re driving for fuck’s sake.

It’s why things like the GR Corolla are nearly miraculous in 2023, it even comes stick shift only.

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#149

I connect my phone to my 2015 Nissan's bluetooth, but just for music. GrapheneOS lets me prevent its access to my contacts, call history, active calls, text messages - anything but music audio. To me (but not the less tech literate, I know), if you're connecting your car to your phone, it's obvious that it is able to gather things about you. That said, because I don't know much about cars, I don't know if the car is…

I dug into the article, specifically the Nissan section. It reads like the car itself _could_ be gathering information on its own. IMO, the Nissan phone app is the more likely culprit here. Unless there's something wild going on with XM, or there's a WiFi backdoor, the only other way the car is getting data out is over OBD2. And that's all engine, tires, and performance stuff: https://www.amazon.com/Turbo3-Leaf-Spy-P…

Interesting. I've never connected my car to my wireless network and I've never used the Nissan app. I think I used a burner email when setting things up, but that was years ago so I don't remember the details. I'll see what happens if I try an OTA update later today and report back.

Re: Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

#150

Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…

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And how does that result in a more reasonable cost profile than paying an insane dealer markup that’s half the MSRP of the car? A Corolla shouldn’t cost $70k.
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