Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…
Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla
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#142I want to know how these license agreements work, legally speaking? We bought a new car and signed the purchase agreement. Nowhere was there anything resembling a software license. Some months later, the display has a pop-up "our terms and conditions have changed". Um...which terms would those be, and when did we ever agree to them? Anyway, how can they make a one-sided change to a contract?
Here's the relevant legalese from Toyota: "By purchasing or leasing a vehicle equipped with an active Connected Services system, you specifically consent to our electronic collection and use of your account information and vehicle data and our storage of such data wherever we designate." "Fun" right?
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#143Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…
They’re not just prone to quick obsolescence, they’re dangerous.
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#144I would like to have privacy from corporations, but I really wish we'd keep the focus on privacy from our governments, since they have such ultimate power over us.
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#146Also, as a PSA: Your local state government sells car registration data to data brokers and car manufacturers. It is often used for behavioral targeting.
I used to work for a state motor vehicle agency. Federal law requires the manufacturers get your up to date mail address for recall purposes. Legislators make sure that the agencies sell that data (this is the source of those "we've been trying to reach you about your vehicle's warranty" letters/calls). Sometimes they interfere to ensure that their buddies/lobbyists don't pay for it.
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#147Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…
The touchscreens are really a dealbreaker on new cars. They’re not just prone to quick obsolescence, they’re dangerous.
It’s why things like the GR Corolla are nearly miraculous in 2023, it even comes stick shift only.
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#149I connect my phone to my 2015 Nissan's bluetooth, but just for music. GrapheneOS lets me prevent its access to my contacts, call history, active calls, text messages - anything but music audio. To me (but not the less tech literate, I know), if you're connecting your car to your phone, it's obvious that it is able to gather things about you. That said, because I don't know much about cars, I don't know if the car is…
I dug into the article, specifically the Nissan section. It reads like the car itself _could_ be gathering information on its own. IMO, the Nissan phone app is the more likely culprit here. Unless there's something wild going on with XM, or there's a WiFi backdoor, the only other way the car is getting data out is over OBD2. And that's all engine, tires, and performance stuff: https://www.amazon.com/Turbo3-Leaf-Spy-P…
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#150Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…
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