There's telemetry, and then there's this https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/tesla-workers-sh...
That will be the norm for all car companies soon enough, not just Tesla.
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#52> Kia’s privacy policy reserves the right to monitor your “sex life,” Please tell me this is lawyer CYA boilerplate, or is there a way for the shocks to tell "if this van's a rockin', don't come a knockin'".
Probably intentional to make sure they're not in trouble in case this happens to them: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/tesla-workers-sh...
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the insurance co will be the main lever in this story. If you have cameras & telemetry: standard insurance, open source offline car: pay premium.
It is already the case today (at least in the UK). If you accept having a "black box", then you have a discount. I already pay the premium to not have that installed. PS: I understand we're talking about the future here, just wanted to clarify that paying a premium for less telemetry is already here and not a hypothetical case.
I actually wanted to go with an insurer that installs a black box. My dealer, however, doesn't do those (and their standard package is pretty good, so with a new car it was stupid to go with someone else).
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#54Things like this are a part of why my newest vehicle is an '04 Suburban.
But that won’t be an option in a few . How many 2015 cars will be on the road and for sale in 2035?
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#55Like my TV ... and my phone ... and my ... and my ink pen (connected via WIFI) ...
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#56I connect my phone to my 2015 Nissan's bluetooth, but just for music. GrapheneOS lets me prevent its access to my contacts, call history, active calls, text messages - anything but music audio. To me (but not the less tech literate, I know), if you're connecting your car to your phone, it's obvious that it is able to gather things about you. That said, because I don't know much about cars, I don't know if the car is…
One more reason I'm glad I connect my phone with a headphone jack. Just an analog connection carrying audio. The car doesn't even know what it's playing, as far as I know. Though some cars do seem to extract track names and artist names over the aux jack, so I think there's a little more than just an analog signal?
I wonder if phones send out RDS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System) information on the aux jack and your car happens to pick up on it.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
In some places, this is not an option. I have a mechanical Euro-5 car without sim card nor infotainment system that I would not be able to use where I live by end 2024. Welcome to the EU and its low-emissions zones that span over many of its big cities.
What happens at the end of 2024 that your car won’t operate?
Emissions standards change, from the sound of it.
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#58There's telemetry, and then there's this https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/tesla-workers-sh...
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/apple-and-google...
Thanks for linking to a 4 year old story. Now link to the follow-up stories to where Apple no longer does this and they were sued for breaking their privacy policy. Google still does it, as in their TOS they basically say "yeah, we're going to be looking over your shoulder at everything you do, as that's how we make our money".
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#59I think it will be a good differentiation factor in a few years, that a brand comes up with an offline car, i.e. a car that you just refuel/charge and drive - no telemetry/connected features involved. It may be a niche thing in future, but certainly something that would be appealing to me as a consumer.
Open source Car!!
The automotive enthusiast community has been building their own for decades.