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Plans to cut speed limits ‘will significantly improve road safety' – minister

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Re: Plans to cut speed limits ‘will significantly improve road safety' – minister

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Switzerland has 120kmh instead of typical EU limit of 130kmh. Slightly less pollution of all types, slightly safer roads, cars last slightly longer. Typical swiss driver is anything but typical driver basically anywhere - polite, respectful, and just doesn't break rules in mormal situations. I really like it this way, and couldnt care less for the limit, saving 1-2 minutes is neglible every time. That being said, any…

The Swiss limit seems about right to me, their autoroutes have more hills and bends than those in the surrounding countries.

Re: Plans to cut speed limits ‘will significantly improve road safety' – minister

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Anyone that thinks this is going to change anything in Ireland has never driven around Ireland. To say speed limits as taken as an amusing suggestion here is the biggest understatement I’m going to make all day.

In the UK we're starting to install average speed cameras in lots of places. Almost every major road in my area has an average speed camera on some stretch. And I, for one, I think it's great. It's not a popular position but I'm a speed limit enforcement maximalist. I think if you're going 31 in a 30, after accounting for measurement errors, there should be enforcement action. Driving is one of the most dangerous thi…

Yes - but in some places the limits are set unrealistically low under the assumption that people will drive above the limit. Let's use common sense and data to figure out where the limits should be, and then enforce them strictly.

Re: Plans to cut speed limits ‘will significantly improve road safety' – minister

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK we're starting to install average speed cameras in lots of places. Almost every major road in my area has an average speed camera on some stretch. And I, for one, I think it's great. It's not a popular position but I'm a speed limit enforcement maximalist. I think if you're going 31 in a 30, after accounting for measurement errors, there should be enforcement action. Driving is one of the most dangerous thi…

Me too. There has to be a hard limit. It might as well be the posted limit. Encouraging everyone to break the law just means selective enforcement is a bigger problem. If safety depends on cars moving the same speed, then everyone else should slow down to the speed limit to match my speed. I really don't get this brinksmanship stuff. "Oh it's just 5 MPH, it's just 10 MPH." A limit was posted. The negotiation process…

> ALPRs. They're so bad for privacy.

Some countries have, or used to have, regulations saying that the devices aren't allowed to record the number plate details unless a crime is detected. I don't know how well that works since you're relying on the police to self-enforce that.

The UK doesn't have any such regulations and has fully embraced ANPR. They are being deployed everywhere now, for speed limit and red light enforcement, implementing toll roads and zones, enforcing modal filters, detecting cars reported in crime, detecting cars without insurance/tax/inspection, etc. and much of it is being converted to report to the "National ANPR Data Centre".

I wouldn't say I'm pleased about the privacy implications, but most people here are fine with it and seem to derive more benefit from it than harm. Vehicle crime is one of the UK's biggest problems, and I know several people who've had their stolen cars recovered thanks to the system, and ~everyone supports cracking down on uninsured drivers. It's become more controversial lately due to low emissions zones and the potential future introduction of road pricing, but that isn't really a push back for privacy reasons.

I just think in the UK, people don't have a cultural expectation of privacy when driving.

Re: Plans to cut speed limits ‘will significantly improve road safety' – minister

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Switzerland has 120kmh instead of typical EU limit of 130kmh. Slightly less pollution of all types, slightly safer roads, cars last slightly longer. Typical swiss driver is anything but typical driver basically anywhere - polite, respectful, and just doesn't break rules in mormal situations. I really like it this way, and couldnt care less for the limit, saving 1-2 minutes is neglible every time. That being said, any…

I drive an indicated 130kph on Swiss motorways, an indicated 108kph through tunnels, and generally an indicated 88kph on regular roads when I get the chance. I think the 80kph limit is too low for many country roads, and it inhibits overtaking slower vehicles, so you frequently enough see long trains of cars stuck behind something.

Once I hit Germany, I generally drive about 160kph on unrestricted motorway, but wander up towards 200kph if the lanes are clear. It is not stressful to drive fast as long as you’re not overtaking with a large speed difference. 130kph feels quite slow on the autobahn, it’s very noticeable when you’re on a restricted stretch.

Time savings add up on a 6+ hour trip, especially if you leave after work; +30kph is 180km after 6 hours, it can make the difference between needing a hotel or not.

When I ride my motorbike, I generally head to Germany, in large part because 80kph is so slow and Swiss enforcement is more eager. Of course speeding penalties are the same, since Swiss top up any German fines to Swiss levels.

Re: Plans to cut speed limits ‘will significantly improve road safety' – minister

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Speed limits are a classic safety vs economy trade off.

In Germany a speed limit of 130 would save a billion euros each year[0]. It would also save fuel, i.e. carbon and particulate matter emissions [0]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092180092...

But it would cost people's time. I almost guarantee that even if you pay people minimum wage, the savings in people's time outweigh any extra fuel use.

Re: Plans to cut speed limits ‘will significantly improve road safety' – minister

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Switzerland has 120kmh instead of typical EU limit of 130kmh. Slightly less pollution of all types, slightly safer roads, cars last slightly longer. Typical swiss driver is anything but typical driver basically anywhere - polite, respectful, and just doesn't break rules in mormal situations. I really like it this way, and couldnt care less for the limit, saving 1-2 minutes is neglible every time. That being said, any…

Nah. No speed limits is great, as long as everyone behaves by the rules. Stay the hell out of the left lane, unless you’re passing. If you’re in the left lane and someone is in your rear-view, you move right. Otherwise, drive as fast as you feel like you can safely go, without having to worry about being pulled over and cited for doing something perfectly safe. Driving on the Autobahn in Germany was one of the more l…

> If you’re in the left lane and someone is in your rear-view, you move right.

no, you finish overtaking as planned, except it is an emergency vehicle

Re: Plans to cut speed limits ‘will significantly improve road safety' – minister

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The statistics provided regarding deaths neglected to say most were probably _way_ over the speed limit. I'm talking 130km/h in a 50km/h zone.

There was a tragic case a few weeks back (on exam results day I think) when a speeding car was totalled in an urban area killing 3/4 occupants.

Reducing the speed from 100 to 80 won't change that behaviour.

Re: Plans to cut speed limits ‘will significantly improve road safety' – minister

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Speed limits are a classic safety vs economy trade off.

Safety versus making fun vrooming noises. Collisions cost enormous sums even before you think of the thousands of people who have life-altering injuries, and the vast majority of the time the driver is not saving any time at all (just sitting longer at the next signal or patch of congestion), or an economically negligible amount of time.

Because speeding causes traffic congestion, there is a fair chance this would even be an economic win since tamer traffic moving consistent speeds is better for commercial drivers.

Speeding helps on very long trips through lightly trafficked areas: if you’re driving on a desert highway through the American southwest, sure, going 85 instead of 75 will shave an hour off of your all-day drive but the vast majority of trips are much, much shorter than that and the risks to others are much higher.

Re: Plans to cut speed limits ‘will significantly improve road safety' – minister

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

130km/h is just ludicrous. The consumption compared to 100km/h is about 50% extra and the time saved is wiped out with just one bathroom break.

Depends on the car. With a V6, it’s pretty negligible. My SUV gets better mileage at high speed cruising due to the gearing. As long as you’re not constantly accelerating/decelerating and going with the flow.

> My SUV gets better mileage at high speed cruising due to the gearing.

what model would that be?

> As long as you’re not constantly accelerating/decelerating and going with the flow.

this can save even more fuel, if your SUV still uses fossil fuels and you accelerate at the optimal engine load and then glide. It's called pulse and glide.

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