Why is the article tying just-in-time to this issue?
JIT in context of Toyota refers to their philosophical concept of keeping as many parts in transit. I'm not completely sure but I think runtime compilation in software is named after that than the other way around.
Toyota blames factory shutdown in Japan on ‘insufficient disk space’
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Re: Toyota blames factory shutdown in Japan on ‘insufficient disk space’
#32As we move to more abstract systems I wonder how well we (as in companies) are keeping basic systems management capabilities in place at a personnel level. At $DAY_JOB we recently scuttled most development efforts for a week for our teams. Our nightly backup job that sanitizes PHI ballooned overtime to, say, 20GB+1Byte and ran out of disk space. Because we are running Kubernetes on Fargate we don’t need a full time o…
It's not k8s or anything else that makes it hard/easy. Maintaining and keeping stateful services running the long run is what's a bit tricky.
Re: Toyota blames factory shutdown in Japan on ‘insufficient disk space’
#33Didn't they see the balloon?!? https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pv29dGQwIMI/UFcMD6hgcyI/AAAAAAAAF...
To spell it out, I think the joke here is the assertion that they are probably using old operating system and software. The screenshot is for windows XP.
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#34I was responsible for some dev ops stuff at a state's health department and one of the more infuriating things about working at that place was that it was like pulling teeth getting more storage allocated. Our backups would be running out of disk and they'd allocate me 50 or 100 GB at a time. I'm sure someone Toyototian was yelling that this was going to happen for the past 6 months.
There was probably an array with a few dozen terabytes to spare and the guy made you run back to him once a month for some misguided job security purpose.
Re: Toyota blames factory shutdown in Japan on ‘insufficient disk space’
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
To spell it out, I think the joke here is the assertion that they are probably using old operating system and software. The screenshot is for windows XP.
Why is that a joke? Factory equipment is ordered and has a lifetime of 20 years. Of course it has old systems. These are grownup industries. They have no time for development hipster nonsense and extraction games for unwanted features to stave of unemployment in some glass-towers.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-xp-suppo...
> extraction games for unwanted features
https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscription...
Re: Toyota blames factory shutdown in Japan on ‘insufficient disk space’
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
To spell it out, I think the joke here is the assertion that they are probably using old operating system and software. The screenshot is for windows XP.
You're likely not wrong, but also the fact that Windows tells you you're running out of storage going as far back as XP if not further back. I wont be surprised if Mac and Linux do the same. My guess is, they kept ignoring it until it became impossible to ignore. I wonder if years passed until it was unavoidable.
Re: Toyota blames factory shutdown in Japan on ‘insufficient disk space’
#37Just-in-time will cost you far more than it will save you. The problem is that when it fails, you judge those failures as "backwards looking one offs" as opposed to a cost that is part and parcel to being JIT. Factory downtime is the single biggest cost a manufacturing shop can incur. No amount of working capital savings from carrying fewer screws, widgets, and bolts can offset the costs of taking 14 plants down due…
Re: Toyota blames factory shutdown in Japan on ‘insufficient disk space’
#38I was responsible for some dev ops stuff at a state's health department and one of the more infuriating things about working at that place was that it was like pulling teeth getting more storage allocated. Our backups would be running out of disk and they'd allocate me 50 or 100 GB at a time. I'm sure someone Toyototian was yelling that this was going to happen for the past 6 months.
There was probably an array with a few dozen terabytes to spare and the guy made you run back to him once a month for some misguided job security purpose.
I don't excuse wanton waste of storage because it's easy for sloppy practices to balloon to massive confusion and inefficiency. But that discipline should be enforced by good engineering practices, not by limiting resources.
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#39Didn't they see the balloon?!? https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pv29dGQwIMI/UFcMD6hgcyI/AAAAAAAAF...
Re: Toyota blames factory shutdown in Japan on ‘insufficient disk space’
#40Didn't they see the balloon?!? https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pv29dGQwIMI/UFcMD6hgcyI/AAAAAAAAF...
I just had much more fun experience on Debian. The VM simply froze after startup as disk was absolutely full... And figuring out how to actually extend disk through all of the indirection layers took a bit of time.