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New York’s crackdown on Airbnb began Tuesday

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Re: New York’s crackdown on Airbnb began Tuesday

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Post by mellavora »

kbos87 wrote: post #15
nine_zeros wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I chuckled myself. Tourists spending thousands to visit the city aren't going to stay 2 hours away in another crap apartment in Jersey.

The anti Airbnb narrative always assumes we are talking about some crappy apartment that someone was duped into staying in. Let's entertain the idea for just a minute that you are an extended family visiting NYC. You need 2-3 bedrooms, some amount of space to spread out, and a kitchen could potentially save you some real money vs. eating out for every meal. Hotel rooms like that really don't exist, at least for norma…

Don't know about NYC, but in the midwest there are hotels that specialized in providing construction workers a home away from home for 1-2 weeks. You get a bedroom and minimal kitchen for 125-150/night. It isn't luxury, but most certain is: > Hotel rooms like that ... at least for normal people.

Re: New York’s crackdown on Airbnb began Tuesday

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Post by fineIllregister »

flashgordon wrote: post #31
wombat-man wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok well it's a 2-3 bedroom apartment a family or roommates can't live in then. Plenty of hotels have rooms with two queens that can comfortably sleep 4 people.

Come on. As much as i hate Airbnb this doesn't paint hotels in a good light for larger groups or those with kids. When you have stricter dietary restrictions cooking our own meals is highly desirable and affordable hotels in this area - nil. Travelling in a group .. okay good luck. What I hate about Airbnb is all the hidden fees and ridiculous homework you have to do when leaving. Regulation could have gone to fix th…

The government's obligations to its residents is far higher than tourists with very specific needs. There is no tourism if the area can't support workers to serve tourists due to inflated housing costs.

Re: New York’s crackdown on Airbnb began Tuesday

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Post by mellavora »

adriand wrote: post #39
kbos87 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The anti Airbnb narrative always assumes we are talking about some crappy apartment that someone was duped into staying in. Let's entertain the idea for just a minute that you are an extended family visiting NYC. You need 2-3 bedrooms, some amount of space to spread out, and a kitchen could potentially save you some real money vs. eating out for every meal. Hotel rooms like that really don't exist, at least for norma…

That’s exactly right and that’s what my family and I did when we visited NY. We are a family of four. Typical hotel accommodations suck for families! As you pointed out, it’s not just the space, it’s also the cooking facilities that are so important. Our typical approach is breakfast in the unit, picnic lunches while touring around, dinner out. Sometimes we’ll cook dinner in our unit too, especially for our kids. If…

> there are people who own apartments in NY that couldn’t afford to live there if they weren’t able to earn some money from renting out their space on AirBnB.

Yes, but also turning every apartment into a potential revenue source puts upward pressure on rents.

So there are also people who cannot afford apartments in NYC because of short-term rentals.

Re: New York’s crackdown on Airbnb began Tuesday

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Post by [deleted] »

jmyeet wrote: post #16

Good. Airbnb is cancer. I just hope there's an actual enforcement mechanism. The optimist in me hopes the housing crisis may finally start to wake people up to how most of us are being systematically exploited and we live in a society that deliberately withholds shelter, which quite literally kills people, so a tiny number of people can profit from it.

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Re: New York’s crackdown on Airbnb began Tuesday

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Post by mancerayder »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #35

Two hotels in the centre of Manhattan—the Redbury and Paul—just converted to refugee motels. There is a layer to this popular discourse is missing, and I’m unclear what it is.

Housing availability is gruesomely low, but not so low as to challenge the Sanctuary City concept born of another political moment.

I'm suspecting this might change, as NYC is more politically diverse than places like San Francisco and Seattle, and pendulums swing hard back and forth historically.

Re: New York’s crackdown on Airbnb began Tuesday

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Post by mellavora »

flashgordon wrote: post #31
wombat-man wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok well it's a 2-3 bedroom apartment a family or roommates can't live in then. Plenty of hotels have rooms with two queens that can comfortably sleep 4 people.

Come on. As much as i hate Airbnb this doesn't paint hotels in a good light for larger groups or those with kids. When you have stricter dietary restrictions cooking our own meals is highly desirable and affordable hotels in this area - nil. Travelling in a group .. okay good luck. What I hate about Airbnb is all the hidden fees and ridiculous homework you have to do when leaving. Regulation could have gone to fix th…

> What I hate about Airbnb is all the hidden fees and ridiculous homework you have to do when leaving. Regulation could have gone to fix that but yeah here are some flying pigs!

Airbnb could have gone to fix that. Why leave it to regulation?

Re: New York’s crackdown on Airbnb began Tuesday

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Post by jmclnx »

I wish every City does this. I believe Airbnb is one of the big reasons rents are raising in these Cities. Personally if it was up to me, I would have a 90% tax on receipts from Airbnb customers.

If you are caught without being registered, your property is taken and sold off in a auction.

Re: New York’s crackdown on Airbnb began Tuesday

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Post by jfim »

kbos87 wrote: post #15
nine_zeros wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I chuckled myself. Tourists spending thousands to visit the city aren't going to stay 2 hours away in another crap apartment in Jersey.

The anti Airbnb narrative always assumes we are talking about some crappy apartment that someone was duped into staying in. Let's entertain the idea for just a minute that you are an extended family visiting NYC. You need 2-3 bedrooms, some amount of space to spread out, and a kitchen could potentially save you some real money vs. eating out for every meal. Hotel rooms like that really don't exist, at least for norma…

> Let's entertain the idea for just a minute that you are an extended family visiting NYC. You need 2-3 bedrooms, some amount of space to spread out, and a kitchen could potentially save you some real money vs. eating out for every meal.

Is there a particular reason why extended stay hotels don't work out for that kind of stay? They typically have a kitchen, fridge, and laundry facilities.

Re: New York’s crackdown on Airbnb began Tuesday

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Post by nequo »

mellavora wrote: post #43
adriand wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s exactly right and that’s what my family and I did when we visited NY. We are a family of four. Typical hotel accommodations suck for families! As you pointed out, it’s not just the space, it’s also the cooking facilities that are so important. Our typical approach is breakfast in the unit, picnic lunches while touring around, dinner out. Sometimes we’ll cook dinner in our unit too, especially for our kids. If…

> there are people who own apartments in NY that couldn’t afford to live there if they weren’t able to earn some money from renting out their space on AirBnB. Yes, but also turning every apartment into a potential revenue source puts upward pressure on rents. So there are also people who cannot afford apartments in NYC because of short-term rentals.

> So there are also people who cannot afford apartments in NYC because of short-term rentals.

Do we know how many? How much of an effect is this expected to have on rents?

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