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How to Get into Film Photography (and Why You Should)

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Re: How to Get into Film Photography (and Why You Should)

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If you really want slow and inconvenient and expensive, that will eventually lead you to a large-format camera. A good day out with the Wista might not end up with enough shots to fill the Jobo tank (6 shots).

My pal is OBSESSED over making a book of 8 x 10 Polaroids. Has been talking about it for years.

He is planning on getting:

Intrepid 8 x 10 view camera 8 x 10 film holders Changing bags Polaroid film next time it's in production Two lenses of unknown focal length Light meters Polaroid Film Processor

Going to be a massive bill

Re: How to Get into Film Photography (and Why You Should)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While increasing the barrier of entry. Not everyone has a dark room laying around.

> Not everyone has a dark room laying around. You don't necessarily need one for just developing the film - dark bag to load the film onto the spool which is lightfast and bob is your photographed uncle (source: me, having done this in very un-dark kitchen twice.) I suppose if you want to make your own prints, that probably needs a darkroom but you can get a film scanner cheap and print them on a colour laser, inkjet…

This is what I have done. 35mm bw and color developed in a dark bag. Then scan the negatives. So much cheaper than actually having it developed professionally. You also get to mess with the development conditions for various effects.

Re: How to Get into Film Photography (and Why You Should)

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I've shot tons of film over a great many years and I have a sizeable collection of cheap and expensive 35mm and 120mm film cameras covering the period from the late 1800's to the 1980's. I stuck to film well after digital cameras got cheap enough for my tastes and I still love to shoot film - I have about 25 rolls of exposed color film in my office waiting for me to develop, so I still shoot a fair amount on film. I…

Would you mind going into a bit more detail about your late 1800s-early 1900s cameras? I’ve recently gotten into film photography, first with a cheap, slightly broken AE-1 and more recently with a family member’s passed-down Canon F-1. Even though this equipment is more than sufficient, I find myself lusting after 1930s-1940s Barnack Leicas and the wide array of Barnack clones from that era. I’m curious what it’s like to actually shoot with those cameras.

Re: How to Get into Film Photography (and Why You Should)

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Getting your film developed is why everyone moved to DSLR's and mirrorless. It's not so much that the newer digital cameras are better (they are), it's the fact that you don't have to wait 2 weeks for your photos. I have Nikon SLR's that have been sitting in the bag for 20 years. I have Cannon DSLR's that see light a couple times a year. I have a GoPro that sees the abuse that an ex-skater, ex-snowboarder, ex-surfer,…

developing it yourself reduces that delay! and no photo shop staff to look at your photos.

Huge time sink for B&W, but sure nice to do, a major pain for color and close to impossible for slide film.

The latter was what I basically learned on, back the day, being allowed to sport my dad's back-up F4. Had to tie a knot in the sling for it to not bounce on the ground when I had it around my neck, me being too small.

Digital is so much easier, until you want to print. Upside of learbing on film, you are much more carefull at which pictures you take.

Maybe, one day, I'll get some B&W film and pull out said F4 again. Big maybe so, as I simply don't have the time to develop film on top of everything else...

Re: How to Get into Film Photography (and Why You Should)

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I kind of think to myself, “Is this picture worth a dollar?” I don't shoot film anymore since about 15 years, it's totally not worth the hassle. However, I did stick to this mindset of first trying to figure out whether it's worth it overall and only then taking a picture (except when shooting plants/insects for later determination etc, then different metrics come into play). It has a lot of advantages for me, mainly…

I break out my TLR when someone has an interesting project that's well suited for it and I can bill them for it. My standing rate is 100/hr, one location, for film it's 200/hr. It's sort of a once a year thing nowadays, but, enjoyable. Takes me back to being a starving college kid doing this professionally, running around outside like a wild man capturing images for rent money. It's a good balance now really, because doing dev management is far more lucrative, and I can afford to take the gigs that I want to take instead of taking every gig offered.

It is true though, bringing the film shoot intentionality to the digital world is the correct mindset, and sure modern digital can rip through 14 frames a second, but, if your moment happened at frame 8.5, you still can miss it, and are rewarded with 10-20x the amout of hard disk space to comb through hoping for a keeper.

Re: How to Get into Film Photography (and Why You Should)

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Sounds like he thinks the benefits of film are its physical limitations and expense, but those limitations could always be emulated for digital shots too.

Does film generally look better than a pre-processed raw digital photo? If so, that'd be a better selling point to me. Not having to master fiddling with clunky post-processing software - much more appealing than, "film is better because each shot costs a dollar, I can only take 36 shots instead of 2,000, and I enjoy the 2-weeks-later surprise of the results."

Also wish they would disclaim that the links in the article are affiliate links, quite impolite not to.

Re: How to Get into Film Photography (and Why You Should)

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Film photography, for me, is the most affordable way to get into medium/large format photography. Not really excited with 35mm because full frame bodies are getting more affordable. On the other hand, the price of used GFX (50S, 50R) bodies are also getting more affordable. Yes I know some people consider it only "slightly bigger than FF and not true MF". Well, more than enough for me. And of course Hasselblad XD or…

It’s also the cheapest way to get into 35mm compact cameras.

If you avoid some high end, collector models like Contax T3, Nikon 35Ti, etc... yeah I get it.

On second thought, I just realised compact FF bodies like Sony RX1 is still a bit expensive.

Re: How to Get into Film Photography (and Why You Should)

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One aspect of vintage film photography that I haven't seen discussed much here is the connections that can be with family members, local community members, and strangers over film cameras and photos.

Since taking up film photography, I've had countless conversations with shopkeepers, fellow concert-goers, line-mates, and all manner of other folks whom I'd likely have simply ignored if not for the shared connection of the vintage camera around my neck. At a recent concert, I had a ten minute conversation with one of the security bag-checkers about my Canon; he had been a concert photographer in the 70s/80s and shared some of his experiences & tips for shooting shows. While eating a recent breakfast out, my server asked about the camera sitting to the side of our table and we struck up a conversation about photography and family heirlooms (this camera had been passed down from a family member). For some reason, vintage cameras seem to foster a connection that can span age and generational gaps.

Film photography has also been a source of connection to older family members and a gateway to unlocking and sharing memories that may not have otherwise seen the light of day. Conversation naturally starts with the modern film hobby and progresses quickly until photo albums are strewn about the kitchen table and old photo equipment litters the floor. Like many other commenters here have said, film photos have a knack for capturing "real" moments that embrace the ephemeral nature of photography - goofy poses, blurry photos, and candid moments. These moments tell us so much more about our friends and family members and shake memories loose from the depths of time. Digital photos can replicate some of this, but I find that their ubiquity leads to fatigue more often than contemplation.

Folks are right to complain about the cost and inconvenience of buying and developing film, but we as film photographers have the privilege of supporting small, local businesses that are dedicated to their craft and to the film community. In addition to the livelihood these businesses provide to their owners, film shops can also cultivate an in-person community around the hobby that makes the experience much richer for those involved. We recently had a new film store open in my neighborhood, and it's been fun browsing their film stock while chatting with other photographers who've stumbled into the store. If I'm going to be paying $15 for a roll and $20 to get it developed, I'd like to see that money support a local small business.

Re: How to Get into Film Photography (and Why You Should)

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Sounds like he thinks the benefits of film are its physical limitations and expense, but those limitations could always be emulated for digital shots too. Does film generally look better than a pre-processed raw digital photo? If so, that'd be a better selling point to me. Not having to master fiddling with clunky post-processing software - much more appealing than, "film is better because each shot costs a dollar, I…

>Does film generally look better than a pre-processed raw digital photo?

"Better" is subjective. It can probably look a bit different; some Hollywood directors still shoot on film. However, it's really hard for me to make the case that 35mm film is objectively better than full-frame digital with equivalent lenses etc. (And a lot of individual film characteristics can be emulated in post-production.)

(I'm sure someone could make an argument for 4x5 film and the corresponding camera which gives you very precise focus control.)

Re: How to Get into Film Photography (and Why You Should)

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If you're a serious photographer who's only shot digital, shooting film for some 'burner' shoots will improve your photography significantly. Film is a much more intentional process, you have to pay attention to light and composition at a very deep level before you capture an image. That practice improves technique that leaks over into the digital realm as well. Typically, when you go back, you take fewer photos but…

This is a bunch of retro-grouch reverse-snobbism hogwash.

Buy a digital interchangable lens camera and make a conscious effort to both shoot a lot (and be willing to purge stuff, don't become a packrat) but also spend time experimenting and focusing on getting a particular shot or style of shot as best you can, technically first, and then artistically.

People who lack the discipline to be "intentional" without being forced to by the medium will not have the discipline to a)take the notes required so they can later understand how and why things didn't work, and b)shoot film long enough to actually learn the technical skills needed to then focus on artistic skills.

They'll find it frustrating because they'll get back a bunch of badly exposed, blurry shots and have no idea why. It might not even be their fault, because labs fuck up developing all the time, film can be bad (and its performance varies with temperature, age, etc) and film cameras can be horribly unreliable or broken and you have no way of telling unless you take it for repair.

Even the most serious, dedicated, methodical beginner will find it all exhausting unless they're practically autistic.

Digital is superior for serious beginners because beginners more than anything need to actually just go and shoot lots of photos, often...and know what when wrong when things don't work. And they need a minimum number of variables to keep track of.

If it's a film camera, they'll "save" the film, and worse, by the time they develop a roll, they won't remember anything about what they were doing.

None of these problems exist with digital. Not only are frames essentially free, and not only are the cameras nearly perfectly reliable - you can instantly see what did or did not work, and try again. Or try multiple things, and see immediately how it worked out.

You get complete metadata ranging from aperture and shutter speed, usually lens data, and various modes the camera was in and nowadays often even including location.

It becomes trivial to pop open your photo editing program and search for photos taken with a particular lens and effortlessly compare them down to the pixel, see histograms, etc.

Further, film is fucking terrible on a technical level; 35MM dSLRs surpassed it nearly two decades ago in nearly every technical capacity; micro 4/3rds / APS-C surpassed full-frame 35MM as well quite a while ago. Film has terrible dynamic range, resolution isn't very good except for expensive and low-sensitivity film...and usable ISO levels for natural light have terrible resolution. Forget about trying to shoot indoors unless you have some sort of lighting equipment, and that's a whole entire level of additional complexity.

If you're an experienced photographer who wants an extra challenge from film, fine.

But stop telling beginners film is superior. It is not, in any way/shape/form. It has not been for two decades.

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