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Emacs Bedrock: A minimal Emacs starter kit

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Re: Emacs Bedrock: A minimal Emacs starter kit

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Post by jfoutz »

rashkov wrote: post #9
michaelsbradley wrote: post #2

bbatsov's prelude is another nice kit to get started with and learn from: https://github.com/bbatsov/prelude https://prelude.emacsredux.com/en/latest/

I’ve been running this on one of my desktops in an effort to wean myself from spacemacs and doom. I generally like it but the one thing I’m really missing is the spacebar concept from spacemacs / doom. Anyone know a way to shoehorn that in? Or any tips for how to do without it?

I don't.

but I think the things you want to look for, if you start from scratch, are 1. evil mode https://evil.readthedocs.io/en/latest/overview.html#installa... 2. the leader key https://github.com/noctuid/evil-guide#leader-key

these are random search results that may or may not be authoritative, but they should be a good start.

Re: Emacs Bedrock: A minimal Emacs starter kit

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

michaelsbradley wrote: post #2

bbatsov's prelude is another nice kit to get started with and learn from: https://github.com/bbatsov/prelude https://prelude.emacsredux.com/en/latest/

I'm a casual emacs user for 30 years. Decided to give prelude a try after reading this... 2 minutes in: "" keybinding is discouraged! Use instead."

Ok, well, then. Time to uninstall.

Re: Emacs Bedrock: A minimal Emacs starter kit

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Post by drw3 »

rashkov wrote: post #9
michaelsbradley wrote: post #2

bbatsov's prelude is another nice kit to get started with and learn from: https://github.com/bbatsov/prelude https://prelude.emacsredux.com/en/latest/

I’ve been running this on one of my desktops in an effort to wean myself from spacemacs and doom. I generally like it but the one thing I’m really missing is the spacebar concept from spacemacs / doom. Anyone know a way to shoehorn that in? Or any tips for how to do without it?

Why do you want to wean yourself off them?

Re: Emacs Bedrock: A minimal Emacs starter kit

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Post by michaelsbradley »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #12
michaelsbradley wrote: post #2

bbatsov's prelude is another nice kit to get started with and learn from: https://github.com/bbatsov/prelude https://prelude.emacsredux.com/en/latest/

I'm a casual emacs user for 30 years. Decided to give prelude a try after reading this... 2 minutes in: "" keybinding is discouraged! Use instead." Ok, well, then. Time to uninstall.

Fair enough, though that notice can easily be disabled.

For what it's worth, I happened across bbatsov/prelude in 2011, not long after it started being developed, having no prior emacs experience. The notice you mentioned was one of several that nudged me to learn and use the various key combinations, so I'm grateful for the notices, but I understand that not everyone would be.

Re: Emacs Bedrock: A minimal Emacs starter kit

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Post by foobarqux »

ljm wrote: post #3

If you’re running emacs 29+ I posit you get less value out of a starter kit or framework than beforehand. Treesitter is baked in for syntax, eglot is baked in for language servers (intellisense), project and tab-bar give you scoped workspaces. use-package is baked in for downloading and configuring dependencies. Modus-themes are also built in now, so you can use modus-operandi and modus-vivendi out of the box. Two in…

treesitter is not exactly "baked in" too well at the moment. There isn't really auto-install/configuration of the grammars and as far as I can tell there isn't even a list of URLs for grammars, you have to supply those manually. There is treesit-auto which isn't quite there yet (why isn't treesit-language-source-alist populated automatically?)

Compare with Mason on Neovim which is much closer to "everything just works" (and niche treesitter modes seem to be available there long before they are available on Emacs)

Re: Emacs Bedrock: A minimal Emacs starter kit

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Post by rashkov »

drw3 wrote: post #13
rashkov wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been running this on one of my desktops in an effort to wean myself from spacemacs and doom. I generally like it but the one thing I’m really missing is the spacebar concept from spacemacs / doom. Anyone know a way to shoehorn that in? Or any tips for how to do without it?

Why do you want to wean yourself off them?

Mostly to force myself into learning emacs more deeply. I’ve been using them since 2016 but I feel like I’ve hit a wall with how well I know emacs and elisp.

Re: Emacs Bedrock: A minimal Emacs starter kit

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

michaelsbradley wrote: post #14
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a casual emacs user for 30 years. Decided to give prelude a try after reading this... 2 minutes in: "" keybinding is discouraged! Use instead." Ok, well, then. Time to uninstall.

Fair enough, though that notice can easily be disabled. For what it's worth, I happened across bbatsov/prelude in 2011, not long after it started being developed, having no prior emacs experience. The notice you mentioned was one of several that nudged me to learn and use the various key combinations, so I'm grateful for the notices, but I understand that not everyone would be.

Lack of support for my perfectly useful arrow keys is one of the key reasons I didn't pick up vi back in 1990/1991 (when I first started Unixing) and did Emacs instead.

Re: Emacs Bedrock: A minimal Emacs starter kit

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Post by rashkov »

jfoutz wrote: post #11
rashkov wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been running this on one of my desktops in an effort to wean myself from spacemacs and doom. I generally like it but the one thing I’m really missing is the spacebar concept from spacemacs / doom. Anyone know a way to shoehorn that in? Or any tips for how to do without it?

I don't. but I think the things you want to look for, if you start from scratch, are 1. evil mode https://evil.readthedocs.io/en/latest/overview.html#installa... 2. the leader key https://github.com/noctuid/evil-guide#leader-key these are random search results that may or may not be authoritative, but they should be a good start.

Didn’t know that evil has leader key support built in, this seems to be a big piece of the puzzle. Thanks!

Re: Emacs Bedrock: A minimal Emacs starter kit

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Post by trip-zip »

weikju wrote: post #7
ljm wrote: post #3

If you’re running emacs 29+ I posit you get less value out of a starter kit or framework than beforehand. Treesitter is baked in for syntax, eglot is baked in for language servers (intellisense), project and tab-bar give you scoped workspaces. use-package is baked in for downloading and configuring dependencies. Modus-themes are also built in now, so you can use modus-operandi and modus-vivendi out of the box. Two in…

Makes me want to try out a config from scratch again.. but.. need.. to.. get.. work.. done....

Haha. That's been my status for about 4 years. I switched to doom emacs and I keep saying, "as soon as things slow down, I'll build this from scratch..."

Re: Emacs Bedrock: A minimal Emacs starter kit

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Post by ashton314 »

weikju wrote: post #7
ljm wrote: post #3

If you’re running emacs 29+ I posit you get less value out of a starter kit or framework than beforehand. Treesitter is baked in for syntax, eglot is baked in for language servers (intellisense), project and tab-bar give you scoped workspaces. use-package is baked in for downloading and configuring dependencies. Modus-themes are also built in now, so you can use modus-operandi and modus-vivendi out of the box. Two in…

Makes me want to try out a config from scratch again.. but.. need.. to.. get.. work.. done....

The --init-directory flag with 29.1 makes this easy. :)
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