The song 'Move Along', by Tommy Makem and Liam Clancy, about Gypsies / Irish Travellers, is very affecting: https://youtu.be/vV7suDUeXSc?t=286
Thanks for the great song suggestion
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
That being said, a lot of school systems are really bad and underfunded - that is a problem, too! My local public school system is over funded and bad: $27k per student per year, with only half the students achieving state standards. Have you ever worked at a poorly-managed startup? If someone had given that startup a ton more money, without any accountability, would that have made things better or worse? Adding mone…
I see your point that adding money to a badly managed system won't fix it. But I also think that a cost of 15K per student, for example, is totally reasonable. I don't know where you live, but if you imagine that you need about 2 teachers to teach a class of 20 pupils at a salary of 100K, this alone is 10K per student, per year. Plus there is maintenance staff, the buildings, materials, canteen staff...
$15k per student per year would be reasonable here in San Francisco.
Imagine I were to offer you $100k to teach for 36 weeks, but you also had to organize everything for the year, including deciding how to use another $200k to procure everything you will need. How would you spend that $200k over the 36 weeks?
For me, it might be something like:
$1.5k/week for a teaching assistant
$1.5k/week to rent a space
$1.0k/week for catering
$0.5k/week to rent furniture
$0.5k/week for materials
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
I see your point that adding money to a badly managed system won't fix it. But I also think that a cost of 15K per student, for example, is totally reasonable. I don't know where you live, but if you imagine that you need about 2 teachers to teach a class of 20 pupils at a salary of 100K, this alone is 10K per student, per year. Plus there is maintenance staff, the buildings, materials, canteen staff...
$15k per student per year would be reasonable here in San Francisco. Imagine I were to offer you $100k to teach for 36 weeks, but you also had to organize everything for the year, including deciding how to use another $200k to procure everything you will need. How would you spend that $200k over the 36 weeks? For me, it might be something like: $1.5k/week for a teaching assistant $1.5k/week to rent a space $1.0k/week…
I you want to have good teachers, you need to pay them good yearly salaries. Probably 200K in the tech hubs, 100K in the rest of the world.
If your teaching assistant gets 54K from you (in SF!!) and then has to work odds jobs during the summer, you're going to get the rare idealist and a bunch of ppl who are bad at making decisions.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
$15k per student per year would be reasonable here in San Francisco. Imagine I were to offer you $100k to teach for 36 weeks, but you also had to organize everything for the year, including deciding how to use another $200k to procure everything you will need. How would you spend that $200k over the 36 weeks? For me, it might be something like: $1.5k/week for a teaching assistant $1.5k/week to rent a space $1.0k/week…
I you want to have good teachers, you need to pay them good yearly salaries. Probably 200K in the tech hubs, 100K in the rest of the world. If your teaching assistant gets 54K from you (in SF!!) and then has to work odds jobs during the summer, you're going to get the rare idealist and a bunch of ppl who are bad at making decisions.
San Francisco is a tech hub. There are good teachers in San Francisco (in both public schools and private schools) who are paid way less than 200K.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
For others: Old Believers (a new term to me) are Russian orthodox catholics that didn't fork with the rest of Russia in the eastern orthodox schism in the 17th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers
They are predominantly not catholic, still eastern orthodox. But I think the eastern orthodox church had some reforms that they did not agree with.
> They are predominantly not catholic, still eastern orthodox.
I don't know what the grandparent meant, but the official name of the Eastern Orthodox Church is "Orthodox Catholic Church", so the phrase "Russian Orthodox Catholics" is technically correct, if prone to confuse the uninitiated. It is possible their native language isn't English, and in their native language, (the equivalent of) "Orthodox Catholic" is a common phrase, as opposed to the confusing obscurity it is in English.
While in popular (English) parlance the Roman Catholic Church has somewhat of a monopoly on the word "Catholic", theologically speaking all Christian groups which accept the Nicene Creed claim to be (or to be part of) the "One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church" in which that creed proclaims belief, and hence Orthodox and (creedal) Protestants officially believe they are Catholics too. (Some less ecumenically-minded Orthodox and Protestants will even go so far as to believe that they are the only real Catholics, and Roman Catholics are fake Catholics.)
> But I think the eastern orthodox church had some reforms that they did not agree with.
The Russian Orthodox Church decided to abandon some of its own liturgical traditions and replace them with imported Greek ones instead. This upset the Old Believers, and the Church refused to compromise, so they left. Later, it decided to become more tolerant, and allow individual congregations to keep the old practices, so some of them (the Edinoverie) returned. But other groups of Old Believers insisted the reforms were heretical, and hence the Russian Orthodox Church were a bunch of heretics and it was a sin to rejoin them, even if they were now willing to allow the old practices to be retained.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I you want to have good teachers, you need to pay them good yearly salaries. Probably 200K in the tech hubs, 100K in the rest of the world. If your teaching assistant gets 54K from you (in SF!!) and then has to work odds jobs during the summer, you're going to get the rare idealist and a bunch of ppl who are bad at making decisions.
San Francisco is a tech hub. There are good teachers in San Francisco (in both public schools and private schools) who are paid way less than 200K.
My impression from HN was that people were not very happy with the quality of the teachers in SF. But maybe I am wrong.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't know you actually had to "do" something to deserve to be discriminated against and persecuted. Generally you just need to "be"
Crimes would usually be ascribed to the hated group as an afterthought.
Yes but even if some ancestor of your committed a crime, what did you actually do to deserve being mistreated for generations? Your only crime is to _be_ part of that group, often in a way that you can't get away with. When it's skin color it's easy to see how you can't hide, but often people can't escape their group/caste even if they don't physically look particularly differently. Humans have a strong mechanisms to make sure every body knows the ingroups and the outgroups.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
San Francisco is a tech hub. There are good teachers in San Francisco (in both public schools and private schools) who are paid way less than 200K.
My impression from HN was that people were not very happy with the quality of the teachers in SF. But maybe I am wrong.
The performance of public schools in SF isn't solely (maybe not even mainly) related to the quality of the teachers.
Even if it were solely to do with the teachers, this doesn't mean that all (or even the majority) of teachers are bad.
Even if we're the case that all teachers in SF are bad, this would be more likely to do with the hiring standards (e.g. you have to have gone to teaching college) and firing standards (LIFO), than to do with salaries offered to newly-hired teachers.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are predominantly not catholic, still eastern orthodox. But I think the eastern orthodox church had some reforms that they did not agree with.
> They are predominantly not catholic, still eastern orthodox. I don't know what the grandparent meant, but the official name of the Eastern Orthodox Church is "Orthodox Catholic Church", so the phrase "Russian Orthodox Catholics" is technically correct, if prone to confuse the uninitiated. It is possible their native language isn't English, and in their native language, (the equivalent of) "Orthodox Catholic" is a c…
All that info went way over my head :)
I always had a fascination for people who are deep into this however.
Monks living in monasteries, surrounded by so much history. The church played a very big administrative role in medieval times. And it is the orthodox church chronicles that contain some of the most intimate aspects of what life used to be like centuries ago.
When I think of all those ruins lying beneath the hills of Dobruja. And some old tome in the basement of some church in the middle of nowhere is the only document attesting to the existence of those ruins.
There's gold waiting to be discovered everywhere around us if we're willing to dig.
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#110I’m not sure, but does it seem like a stretch to suggest that current homeless problems in the West are part of some nomadic subculture, that’s framed within the medical model as mental illness?
I'd lean towards "BS" over "stretch." If you went up to every homeless person in SF, Chicago, etc and ask them why they're homeless, you'd have a hard time finding a single one who's in that situation by choice or cultural caste.
You will not have a hard time finding Chicago people who are unhoused by choice.
(I don't know the broader point you're responding to or trying to make here, so don't take me as trying to refute whatever that is; I just noticed the "Chicago" mention, and that your data point is broken; your larger point might still be fine.)