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Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by sli »

processunknown wrote: post #186
dcre wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I changed my Ergodox’s switches to some nice silents and put it on a desk pad and it was a lot better.

I might do that. I have Cherry MX Browns. I bought case foam and pcb foam for dampening. Could only install the pcb foam since it wouldn’t close with both. It didn’t make much of a difference. I do have a desk pad but I tent the keeb

Browns (and Clears, my preference) are pretty darn loud in my experience despite being only tactile and not also clicky. You can help with O-rings, but I agree with the above commenter that silent switches are probably an ideal solution. Well, assuming they meant to imply that.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by cole-k »

bartvk wrote: post #40
henrik_w wrote: post #38

I had severe problems with RSI many years ago, to the point where I thought I had to give up programming alltogether. I also got an ergonomic keyboard, which helped, and an argonomic pen-like mouse. However, I would say that even more important in getting rid of my problems was the use of a break program. It reminds me to take regular breaks, and prompts me to to stretches throuhgout the day. The combination of these…

It's also my experience that break reminders prevent wrist pain. For macOS, I recommend Time Out. Actively maintained, with all the options you'd want. https://dejal.com/timeout/

Any recommendations for cross-platform apps? I know that I need to take breaks but keeping to it is difficult for me.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by microtonal »

d4rkp4ttern wrote: post #188
webkike wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ortholinear is what you are referring to and it is absolutely worth it to learn. Staggered keyboards don’t make sense anymore - the originally reason keys were staggered was because the bars could not physically overlap - and it is far more natural to type only moving each finger along two axis

With the UHK I am already having difficulty typing directly on my MacBook. With the ortholinear this might only make switching back and forth harder. But it is intriguing.

Or easier. I have switched to column stagger pretty quickly after going to ergo keyboards and I don't have trouble typing on my MacBook. I only dread it now :).

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by cole-k »

d4rkp4ttern wrote: post #135

I’ve haven’t tried the glove80 but suspect I won’t like it because it doesn’t do QWERTY and the columnar layout may not work for me. However over the years I’ve purchased many ergo kbs: ergo dox, kinesis and variants, and I just could not get into any of those. Until I got the UHK (Ultimate Hacking Keyboard) , and I absolutely love it. It retains the QWERTY + regular (staggered?) layout, has split/angled halves, and…

Anecdotally, I did not have too much of an issue switching to a columnar layout - I would give it a shot if you were interested.

I've been using a Moonlander for about a year. I feel like it took at most a week for me to adjust and to attain my current typing speed. I probably type a little slower on it (maybe less accurately too), but my rate is passable (80-100 WPM). I've recently tried a Kinesis Advantage 2 for a few weeks and did not find that adjusting to it was very difficult.

Maybe I'm the odd one out here. Edit: having seen other comments here, I suspect I might be. Apologies for making switching seem trivial.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by cole-k »

swader999 wrote: post #177

Splitting the arrow keys across each hand is a form of mental abuse I wouldn't wish on anyone.

I'm not saying I like it either, but I find that it wasn't hard to get used to. Probably because I use arrow keys a fair deal outside of contexts with vim keybinds so I was forced to adjust.

I've also adjusted to: the Happy Hacking Keyboard diamond-style arrow keys, and the compact-style arrow keys e.g. on laptop keyboards.

Of course the right approach is suggested by the other reply, which is to not be lazy like me (remap keybinds, get vimium, etc.).

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by onetom »

ahoka wrote: post #118
henrik_w wrote: post #38

I had severe problems with RSI many years ago, to the point where I thought I had to give up programming alltogether. I also got an ergonomic keyboard, which helped, and an argonomic pen-like mouse. However, I would say that even more important in getting rid of my problems was the use of a break program. It reminds me to take regular breaks, and prompts me to to stretches throuhgout the day. The combination of these…

How much do you type a day to have problems? I have never felt limited by my typing speed or comfort during my career, but I understand that different people might have different workflows. For me it’s thinking, writing a few lines and start thinking again. One programmer guy I know who had RSI problems was actually writing way too much and overly verbose code and also literally banged on the keys instead of pressing…

I'm 46, programming since I was 6 years old and started having wrist and even lower-arm pain ~2-3 years ago. Even the tips of my fingers hurt sometimes.

I never would have imagined I will have such problems...

It's probably the combination of many factors, probably age mostly, but I'm also experimenting with Emacs, with Ctrl being on Caps-Lock and I think that has triggered the problem. Thumb-tip pain is probably from the SpaceFn layout, but the other finger-tips, no idea.

My main keyboard is a Leopold FC M660 with Cherry blues, but IIRC the problems has already started on a stock 60% Cherry MX with linear red switches.

I've also experimented with vegetarian diet for 11 months, which fucked up my guts and ass, plus I always felt super tired, then a beef + potato only diet for 6 months, but that made my joints hurt. Pretty much caused gout, which is also supposed to be worsened by drinking high-fat milk, which I do drink about a liter a day, like I did most of my life. But then the problems has slowly subsided. Not sure what has changed though; I only got older...

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by onetom »

uguuo_o wrote: post #176

This looked so good until I saw it requires switches to be soldered (by them or you). Hot-swappable switches is a must for me, specially at this price point. I guess my ergodox will have to last a bit longer until a proper replacement is found.

That made me a bit hesitant too, because it's likely that I might not like the switches I choose first.

It takes a few days or weeks of actual usage to have an idea how suitable a certain switch type is.

It's also likely that I would choose different switches for a few keys....

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by mble »

Why does every ergonomic mechanical keyboard have to cost like 4 times the price of a standard mechanical keyboard. I do not get it, and do not have that much money either.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by onetom »

webkike wrote: post #163
d4rkp4ttern wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right. It is qwerty but the columnar is what I meant would be a big obstacle

Ortholinear is what you are referring to and it is absolutely worth it to learn. Staggered keyboards don’t make sense anymore - the originally reason keys were staggered was because the bars could not physically overlap - and it is far more natural to type only moving each finger along two axis

u mean horizontally staggered doesn't make sense?

ortholinear is the Planck EZ (https://blog.zsa.io/2307-goodbye-planck-ez/) for example.

this Glove80 is vertically staggered (or as they said in the review article: it has column stagger), NOT ortholinear.

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