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Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

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Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

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Post by jjtheblunt »

uoaei wrote: post #14
bloopernova wrote: post #4

Please forgive my ignorance, but how do you pronounce Hodów?

For additional context, Polish words are always pronounced with emphasis on the second-to-last syllable. So `HO-doof`.

Grzmot?

How about surnames? Jóźwiak -> yoo-ZHVI-ak or YOOZH-vi-ak?

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

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Post by ajuc »

glanzwulf wrote: post #3
mateuszf wrote: post #2

As a Polish guy - I would not trust a single thing shown in the national propagandist TVP television. It's really weird to see this on Hacker News.

Well, questionable original source aside, just went on a rabbithole in wikipedia reading about it. Or do you consider wikipedia also propagandist?

The battle happened, there's no doubt. I agree TVP is biased as f. tho. Think Fox News if Trump was in power and Fox was state media.

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

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Post by brazzy »

glanzwulf wrote: post #3
mateuszf wrote: post #2

As a Polish guy - I would not trust a single thing shown in the national propagandist TVP television. It's really weird to see this on Hacker News.

Well, questionable original source aside, just went on a rabbithole in wikipedia reading about it. Or do you consider wikipedia also propagandist?

Wikipedia absolutely can be propagandist. It's an incredibly attractive target for propagandists trying to insert their views and spins, and while the community generally manages to keep a rein on that for topic that get international attention, those which don't can be effectively captured by coordinated groups. To say nothing about the smaller international Wikipedias.

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

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Post by piotrke »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #21
uoaei wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For additional context, Polish words are always pronounced with emphasis on the second-to-last syllable. So `HO-doof`.

Grzmot? How about surnames? Jóźwiak -> yoo-ZHVI-ak or YOOZH-vi-ak?

Hehe! A good one!

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

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Post by benterix »

dbingham wrote: post #16
mateuszf wrote: post #2

As a Polish guy - I would not trust a single thing shown in the national propagandist TVP television. It's really weird to see this on Hacker News.

Weirdly, this article appears to have large sections just copy/pasted from Wikipedia. That or someone updated the wiki entry to match the article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hod%C3%B3w

I wouldn't be surprised if the guys from the state TV just copied everything from WP. They will do anything and aren't accountable for anything. Their WP page contains just a little bit of what is happening in Polish state TV:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telewizja_Polska#Controversies

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

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Post by tetromino_ »

glanzwulf wrote: post #3
mateuszf wrote: post #2

As a Polish guy - I would not trust a single thing shown in the national propagandist TVP television. It's really weird to see this on Hacker News.

Well, questionable original source aside, just went on a rabbithole in wikipedia reading about it. Or do you consider wikipedia also propagandist?

Many English Wikipedia articles about Eastern European history are propaganda from one of the sides. In some cases it's a deliberate effort by irredentist editors from whichever country to push their cause; in other cases, it's a result of editors from outside the region who can't read any of the the relevant languages and therefore don't understand that they are using biased sources uncritically.

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

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Post by oneshtein »

brazzy wrote: post #23
glanzwulf wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, questionable original source aside, just went on a rabbithole in wikipedia reading about it. Or do you consider wikipedia also propagandist?

Wikipedia absolutely can be propagandist. It's an incredibly attractive target for propagandists trying to insert their views and spins, and while the community generally manages to keep a rein on that for topic that get international attention, those which don't can be effectively captured by coordinated groups. To say nothing about the smaller international Wikipedias.

Wikipedia is extremely good at keeping and reinforcing a most popular point of view. Russians are using Wikipedia a lot, for example.

Re: Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694

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Post by enedil »

mateuszf wrote: post #2

As a Polish guy - I would not trust a single thing shown in the national propagandist TVP television. It's really weird to see this on Hacker News.

As a Polish guy, I don't know why wouldn't you trust material from TVP History, the content there is usually pretty accurate. The same with TVP Sport - wouldn't you trust what they publish there?

Edit: this is not TVP History, but the point stands.

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