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Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard
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#152I wonder if all those "ergonomic" designs really aim at the right corner of the solution space. What about targetted exercise of involved muscle groups and regular breaks to stretch and relax the tendons/joints/muscles/...? I mean, with our societies sedentary life style, surely exacerbated by programmers sitting for 10+ hours a day, I'm a bit doubtful that moving even less is the answer. What about doing a few simpl…
The ergonomic aspect helps a bit but regular exercise and good posture is 1000 times more important. Ask any physiotherapist.
From a health pov mechanical keys are just an expensive gimmick.
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#153I highly recommend low profile switches for those who haven't tried them. They weren't really available in many models until recently and they're a big step up from standard switches if you're more used to laptops.
I genuinely prefer my thinkpad's chiclet keyboard over mechanical keyboards. I type faster and it's more comfortable.
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As a general question to anybody that used the Kinesis Advantage and switched to the Glove80: how's the thumb cluster? The double-length keys for bk/delete/enter/space allows a lot of vertical travel freedom on the hand. Instead of flexing the fingers I can just move the whole hand down and hit the lower row _very_ comfortably while not having to worry about the thumb at all. I've mocked a few pieces of paper to adva…
Due to the 3D nature, it is very hard to mock up with a few pieces of paper. One thing to note is that the Glove80 thumb cluster plane is at a very different location and angle, compared to the the Kinesis Advantage thumb cluster plane. In fact the Glove80 thumb cluster plane is much lower and slant down gently (nowhere as much as DM) towards the opposite half. OTOH the KA thumb cluster sits significantly higher than…
The thumb cluster on Advantage is simply too high. Glove80 solved it.
Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard
#155I highly recommend low profile switches for those who haven't tried them. They weren't really available in many models until recently and they're a big step up from standard switches if you're more used to laptops.
Any specific recommendations for switches/key caps? Can I buy some to put into my zsa moon lander?
One switch I've not seen mentioned here yet is the Kailh Sunset switch [0], developed in collaboration with Darryl from lowprokb.ca. It is my favourite low profile switch, and the closest in feel to my X220-and-previous-generation Thinkpad keyboards.
[0]: https://lowprokb.ca/products/sunset-tactile-choc-switches
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The pen-like mouse is intriguing.
While I have not used a Penclic mouse, I am pretty sure that it is inferior to using a small Wacom Intuos graphic tablet instead of a mouse, like I do. The tablet is no larger than a traditional mouse pad, it is even somewhat smaller. The stylus, i.e. the pen, is much lighter than any pen-like mouse can be, and it has better resolution and accuracy. Because the pen works contactless and it is very light, you can move…
How did you configure the Wacom? Like in xorg.conf? Any tips?
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It's not either or. I switched to ErgoDox after I broke my wrist years ago. Even with surgery, OT and exercise, regular keyboards don't feel comfortable anymore for more than a few minutes at a time. (I also had to switch my wristwatch to the other hand.)
Still highly recommend the fully contoured options. I have 2 Advantage, an ErgoDox, and a custom built split contoured similar to Advantage 360. The contouring significantly lowers the movement for your fingers.
stretching my fingers is actually good for my injury, I do stretching exercises when I have breaks
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#158I'd love it to have 1-2 more columns and one less row. And be twice as heavy. Keyboard must have some weight. No matter what kind of footing it has - if it's not heavy enough it will slide all over the table.
Love my Space65.
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#159I’m probably going to get the Glove80 depending on if I like the switches more, but I really wish that there was one ergonomic keyboard that had 2.5ghz wireless connectivity instead of Bluetooth. I actually use these keyboards for gaming, and adding 10ms of latency is fine for typing but absolutely unsuitable, so I will have to keep it wired
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I have not used a Penclic mouse, I am pretty sure that it is inferior to using a small Wacom Intuos graphic tablet instead of a mouse, like I do. The tablet is no larger than a traditional mouse pad, it is even somewhat smaller. The stylus, i.e. the pen, is much lighter than any pen-like mouse can be, and it has better resolution and accuracy. Because the pen works contactless and it is very light, you can move…
How did you configure the Wacom? Like in xorg.conf? Any tips?
My .bashrc script (when logging on, which is checked by the fact that no GUI session is running) starts X Window (actually it starts an XFCE session, because that is what I use), then it remaps the keyboard to a custom Dvorak variant and it configures Wacom thus:
WACOM_ID=$(xsetwacom list | grep STYLUS | cut -f 2 | cut -d " " -f 2)
xsetwacom set "$WACOM_ID" "Button" "2" "button +3 "
xsetwacom set "$WACOM_ID" "Button" "3" "button +1 -1 +1 -1 "
xsetwacom set "$WACOM_ID" "Mode" "Relative"
The line that discovers WACOM_ID is necessary because the Wacom device driver does not always use the same device numbers, even when nothing has been inserted or extracted in or from the USB ports. Moreover, even the Wacom subdevices are not always listed in the same order, hence the need to use grep for row select.
There are many other ways to execute a script on startup, where you can add these lines.
The acceleration of the Wacom mouse cursor is configured in the standard desktop settings.
"button +3 " means that the associated action is right click.
"button +1 -1 +1 -1 " means that the associated action is left double click.
I have left the default action for touching the tablet with the pen, which is left click. Selection by pointing and touching is even more natural than with a mouse or other alternatives.