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Historians have an increasingly strong incentive to tell dramatic stories

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Re: Historians have an increasingly strong incentive to tell dramatic stories

#132
Let's think about academia for a second and the metrics we use. You must publish often and your work most be "novel." The more novel, the more prestige, the more frequent the faster you rise.

This is a system that's problematic for science, but crazy in humanities. One reason in science is it discourages replication. But there is a parallel here in something like history, reinvestigation. Something like the Roman Empire is well studied and there's lower novelty to be gained. But do we want to discourage such research? Discourage modern people for maintaining such records?

Under the current system, we can encourage these people to continue studying popular areas but do we encourage maintaining historical truth and integrity? I conjecture that the answer is no. It encourages making things up, especially to fit a modern narrative. It's a system that makes people not know they're lying because they are true believers and no credible experts push back.

This isn't a problem unique to the study of history, but you can find issues like this is all research in academia. It is very hard to measure the quality of research. Citations, h-index, and so on do not mean a lot. We've seen in the past few months very popular researchers found to be frauds, with high positions in prestigious institution like Stanford. Even in practical areas that should be treatable: psychology, medicine, machine learning, and more. We want to believe, but do we have strong evidence and strong understanding? We make easy metrics at first to be "good enough" or because we lack better ones. But we often forget the limitations of those metrics as time goes by because we get caught up in the rat race. You can't just ask yourself if the metric makes sense, but instead need to ask if there's an easier way to score on the metric that isn't the intended object of measurement. We can see here that citations can be hacked easily by fun stories, surprising results, and we'll never uncover them because the only people who attempt to replicate are those in junior positions like undergrads and grad students, who are more likely to question their results than the original work. Those failures never get written about.

Science is really about progressing knowledge. Publications are really about communication. Both these are very vague and can be accomplished in many different ways.

I say instead of making narrow easy to define metrics that will never be good enough we embrace the chaos and noise. Let the researchers be free and let ̶G̶o̶d̶ time sort it out. We don't know what is good research until 5-20 years down the line. We don't know who's a good teacher until the same. By removing the metrics you force nuance to not be ignored. Most of the time it's a "know it when you see it" definition and if that's true we have to be careful about levels of confidence. The thing that makes us human is the ability to handle nuance. It is what differentiates us from animals and LLMs. If the downside is that in a field where people are required to think hard and carefully have to... Think hard and carefully, then that's okay. ML is very successful with the arxiv model because despite much hype, noise, and even many bad actors, us researchers can sniff it out. We have to do it anyways, as that's our job.

I fear if we don't fix things we will continue to just degrade our foundation. We've seen this experiment fail over the last century. It's time to just get rid of the bureaucracy. Let academics be academics. Micromanagement isn't helping. Research can take decades, but people concerned with the next quarter will never allow that. Academics is about risks, challenging the status quo, and nuance. It is not to be run like a business. I am happy for this sector to not be profitable because I know the profits are indirect and benefit everyone. But returns on investments may take centuries, and that's okay.

Re: Historians have an increasingly strong incentive to tell dramatic stories

#133

I guess it's impressively bad that a blatant conspiracy theory made it past peer review and into Wikipedia, but this article is a summary of a review of a rebuttal to a bad paper.

Wikipedia has inherently broken system. It does not use primary sources. So as such if you get enough media publications to agree on something you can push that as narrative to there even if it was absolute lie.

Re: Historians have an increasingly strong incentive to tell dramatic stories

#135

We just have to look to History channel to see this effect on the wider public, it was only a matter of time.

The History Channel is entertainment, it never was anything else, especially history.

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Re: Historians have an increasingly strong incentive to tell dramatic stories

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post #17

I strongly considered pursuing a PhD in history a couple of decades ago. I figured there was so much disprovable BS published following dominant narratives that it would be easy to make a mark as a debunker. Then I realized that if the problem was so widespread, I'd be up against the whole educational ecosystem.

Guess what happens when you have to publish novel work frequently. About subjects that people have been writing about for decades or centuries. Not just that, but you don't get access to certain documents and archives unless you follow certain narratives of certain counties and regimes.

Re: Historians have an increasingly strong incentive to tell dramatic stories

#138
post #12

One thing this article doesn't address is the pressure that many academics are under in the process of their research, and the 'meta-narrative' of their careers writ large. When you are competing for eyeballs, attention, grants, and tenure – when the community you work in is so small and so tightly networked – there can be a ton of pressure to make leaps of logic or narrative in order to paint a picture that resonate…

I wrote a longer post that has similar themes. I fully agree. The system encourages fast work and true believers. I think a big part is we try to run academics like a business. But it's very different and the goals should never be about direct profits. We often ask if our metrics make sense, but we fail to ask if there's easy ways to hack these same metrics.

Re: Historians have an increasingly strong incentive to tell dramatic stories

#139

Same with climate change stories.

Media or research? These two are very different. Media may sell you canvas bags and paper straws, making you feel good with stories driven from big oil about your personal responsibilities. Climate science on the other hand is well studied and well replicated with lots of validation. But that doesn't mean media won't distort what a work actually says. These things are very different but many confuse the two. Just because you get a false story doesn't mean the scientists told that false story. Never make this mistake.

Re: Historians have an increasingly strong incentive to tell dramatic stories

#140
I don't think "Stories are bad for your intelligence" is the right conclusion here, more like "ideologically motivated thinking is bad for your intelligence". As another piece of evidence for this I can recall from Superforecasters that the ones who did the worst at forecasting were ideologically motivated people and people with "one big idea".
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