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A History of the Amen Break: From the Winstons to Futurama and Om Unit

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Somehow I feel is important to note that the Amen Break, being super-influential to the whole genre of jungle/jungle-tek is not so important for drum and bass, contrary to some statements here. I also doubt how important it was to hiphop in general.

The so called 'jungle music' is defined by the amen - it is not jungle unless it has it. Period. This Shy FX track cited in the article is "Original" because of the frantic MCing of UK Apache (what did this guy take in the studio!!). There's a whole lot of much more intense and better tracks. Try any Krinjah track like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssPd9j6VaRw.

In fact, the label Metalheadz introduced the notion of dnb as a marketing move to distance its industrial-influenced sound from what was initially called jungle-tek, and was really techno with the amen break increasingly getting 'seasoned' on top of it. So dnb is not defined by the amen break, but rather by what is called the 'reese' sound and very specific arrangement and syncopation of layers of similar samples, which is nowhere to be found in jungle.

I presume there must be other reasons that mad amen got big - not only his sonic characteristics. In fact many funk records expose such loops, and lots of these had been used in pop music, not only underground. The sample itself, I presume should've been largely available during tracker times during 90s - I guess on BBSs or in sample packs.

We are also very familiar, thanks to Prodigy, with the breaks of Bernard Purdie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Purdie) sampled at least twice (to my knowledge) by Liam Howlett for his biggest hist (I write his here because he is indeed the main producer of most if not all Prodigy bangers). But you see it was only Liam who sampled it, because he had the records. And I doubt hundreds of teen producers had the original Amen record. And I presume this has to do with the modtracker and trackers, because it was so easy to take s.o. else's samples and do stuff with it. It is not trivial to take samples from someone's MPC, though, so my guess is that Amen must be also regarded as an internet-age phenomenon, not purely musical.

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Amen Break is definitely one of the most important samples.

Another important sample is Dirty Feet:

https://www.whosampled.com/Daly-Wilson-Big-Band/Dirty-Feet/

I love Jazz hip pop and I am trying to add this capability to Glicol (https://glicol.org)

A music live coding language that I am developing

The article mentions: "Chopping the break into individual hits on a sampler"

I always believe the easiest way to do it is via live coding

The medium for these classic samples, is shifting from vinyl , akai to online platforms including splice

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Sadly “The Winstons” received no money for the sample. Tragic that the genius behind this revolution got absolutely nothing.

On the other hand, if they have actively tried to get loyalties from the Amen Break then barely no one would have tried sampling it, and wouldn’t have the kind of influence it has today.

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post #41

Somehow I feel is important to note that the Amen Break, being super-influential to the whole genre of jungle/jungle-tek is not so important for drum and bass, contrary to some statements here. I also doubt how important it was to hiphop in general. The so called 'jungle music' is defined by the amen - it is not jungle unless it has it. Period. This Shy FX track cited in the article is "Original" because of the frant…

> The so called 'jungle music' is defined by the amen - it is not jungle unless it has it. Period.

This is definitely NOT TRUE! Plenty of jungle has no amens in it: DJ Hype - Roll Da Beats (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNo9NR3F7KA)

DJ Dextrous (Da Kings Of The Jungle) - Time To Move (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhXUEetPY6E)

Tom & Jerry - Maximum Style (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVukhJ1acSc)

Dillinja - Tear Down Da Whole Place (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEVGJGR5maI)

THE MOST WELL KNOWN JUNGLE TUNE OF ALL TIME HAS Z E R O AMENS IN IT:

M-Beat - Incredible (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL2Bgj-za5k)

It's the Blowfly - Sesame's Treat break.

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My favorite (jungle era) earworm sample, still ever-persistent today and which cannot be unheard is the Loon II "bird" sound from the fairlight loon garden disk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grisBvgeY18 WARNING - once you hear and this you'll forever have pulled-out-of-the-moment experiences. Edit: here's an article on that very sample - https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/474-anaconda-pacific-state-su...

As heard in Pacific State

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRSvu91qCUk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in the 90s it was all like that, just amen break over really dark metal/industrial kind of sounds There was actually a whole scene from the start of the 90s that focussed on melodic and atmospheric jungle and dnb. Check out Good Looking Records. In fact even Metalheadz pushed some this sound a lot. I personally see that as a fundamental part of jungle and dnb from the get go.

I think GLR was the only label for a very long time that did that stuff though. I remember listening to DNB stations in the 90s and they were all very dark compared to today, I don't think there was any easy way to find out about liquid in those days for someone not deeply into the scene. I think that didn't change much until Fabio and Grooverider got their late night show on Radio 1 and wanted to make dnb more acces…

I think GLR was the only label for a very long time that did that stuff though.

Partisan. 720 Degrees. Metalheadz, as mentioned in the comment you’re responding to. Moving Shadow. Renegade. Nu-Directions. Nexus.

I don't think there was any easy way to find out about liquid in those days for someone not deeply into the scene.

Goldie literally got into the Top 40 in the UK in 1995 with “Inner City Life,” a track we would today call “liquid.” (The term wasn’t in use at the time.)

Adam F “Circles” was another very big “liquid”-style track from that era.

Sorry to be all “someone on the internet is wrong!!1” but what you’re saying just isn’t accurate.

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#49

James Brown is also a legendary source of Hip Hop samples. For example, anyone who was listening to hip-hop music in the 80s will recognize this section: https://youtu.be/FmgJCFk_PIA?t=79

The track is by Lyn Collins, not James Brown.

But JB produced the track and can even be heard on the track in the section you posted! The "Yeah", the faint "Come on" and the "Ya bad" has his unmistakable voice.

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post #41

Somehow I feel is important to note that the Amen Break, being super-influential to the whole genre of jungle/jungle-tek is not so important for drum and bass, contrary to some statements here. I also doubt how important it was to hiphop in general. The so called 'jungle music' is defined by the amen - it is not jungle unless it has it. Period. This Shy FX track cited in the article is "Original" because of the frant…

> The so called 'jungle music' is defined by the amen - it is not jungle unless it has it. Period. This is definitely NOT TRUE! Plenty of jungle has no amens in it: DJ Hype - Roll Da Beats ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNo9NR3F7KA ) DJ Dextrous (Da Kings Of The Jungle) - Time To Move ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhXUEetPY6E ) Tom & Jerry - Maximum Style ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVukhJ1acSc ) Dillinj…

wait, that break is from Blowfly?! I was a DJ for years and I love Blowfly and never knew that, how embarassing, TIL.
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