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Re: How we know languages like proto-Indo-European existed [video]

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He mentions his credentials(or lack thereof) as the first thing in the video. Did you even look at the video for a second?

Perhaps he's trying to decide whether it's worth the time. Video is not a good format for skimming around to get a quick overall impression.

> Video is not a good format for skimming around to get a quick overall impression

Download the subs.

  yt-dlp  --skip-download --write-sub [...]

Re: How we know languages like proto-Indo-European existed [video]

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If you don't like noun genders, you should check out Finnish

English is already a good progress in that direction, in many (most?) European languages we have gendered nouns for everything, no matter how nonsensical it is. ( la baguette / le pain).

English is increasingly using the singular 'they' as a workaround, since alternative options like 've,' 'ze,' 'zhe,' and 'xer' didn't gain traction. This comes with its own set of issues—initially, it was a bit disorienting for me, and even now it often requires a mental pause to parse what the speaker is referring to.

I'd welcome a more authoritarian approach here: globally adopt a new pronoun, go through a transitional period, and then we're all on the same page. Some sci-fi novels have toyed with this concept.

IMO gendered pronouns don't add much value in many languages (with exceptions - poetry etc.). In Slavic languages, it's relatively straightforward to deduce gender from the pronoun, but in Germanic and Romance languages, it's more obfuscated.

Re: How we know languages like proto-Indo-European existed [video]

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Recently found this video https://youtu.be/bzRxSVK7qIU where Sanskrit was being compared to Lithuanian. To think, that such geographically distant languages are so similar, as Lithuanian is one of the most well preserved languages in Europe. To get a grasp of what PIE sounded, the closest you can get in Europe is by listening to Lithuanian (especially the older dialects of it)

> as Lithuanian is one of the most well preserved languages in Europe

Just to elaborate on the confusing phrasing here... Lithuanian, among PIE languages, is regarded by linguists as having preserved the most archaic features of PIE. So it basically resembles the first branches of PIE (like Sanskrit, but more Proto-Balto-Slavic) more than any other modern PIE language today. So as linguists trace back systematic transformations from other Proto-Balto-Slavic derived languages back to their root words, it resembles Lithuanian more. Btw, I'm not a linguist. I just worked really hard for a 4.0 GPA, even for electives.

Re: How we know languages like proto-Indo-European existed [video]

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post #28

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English is already a good progress in that direction, in many (most?) European languages we have gendered nouns for everything, no matter how nonsensical it is. ( la baguette / le pain).

I heard this was down to Viking raiders moving into the anglish isles and not wanting to be bothered with all that complicated stuff

Given that the Viking's language was itself fairly complex pronoun-wise[1] I suspect that this is an urban legend.

[1]: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Old_Norse/Pronouns

Re: How we know languages like proto-Indo-European existed [video]

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

English is already a good progress in that direction, in many (most?) European languages we have gendered nouns for everything, no matter how nonsensical it is. ( la baguette / le pain).

English is increasingly using the singular 'they' as a workaround, since alternative options like 've,' 'ze,' 'zhe,' and 'xer' didn't gain traction. This comes with its own set of issues—initially, it was a bit disorienting for me, and even now it often requires a mental pause to parse what the speaker is referring to. I'd welcome a more authoritarian approach here: globally adopt a new pronoun, go through a transiti…

I actually love “they” because it waves off every ambiguity at once: not only you don't have to care about the gender of the person, you don't even have to bother whether it is an individual or a collective (this super convenient when discussing about open-source projects).

Re: How we know languages like proto-Indo-European existed [video]

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

English is already a good progress in that direction, in many (most?) European languages we have gendered nouns for everything, no matter how nonsensical it is. ( la baguette / le pain).

English is increasingly using the singular 'they' as a workaround, since alternative options like 've,' 'ze,' 'zhe,' and 'xer' didn't gain traction. This comes with its own set of issues—initially, it was a bit disorienting for me, and even now it often requires a mental pause to parse what the speaker is referring to. I'd welcome a more authoritarian approach here: globally adopt a new pronoun, go through a transiti…

English is definitely leading in terms of genderlessness, but that advantage is more than offset by its complete detachment between spelling and pronunciation.

It would be nice to have a language with sensible spelling/pronunciation but no gender.

Re: How we know languages like proto-Indo-European existed [video]

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English, German, and Hindi counting from 1 to 10. one, eins, ek two, zwei, do three, drei, teen four, vier, chaar five, funf, paanch six, sechs, chhah seven, sieben, saat eight, acht, aaath nine, neun, nou ten, zehn, das Seems related to me! Source: https://l-lingo.com/free-lessons/en/learn-german/numbers-1-1... https://www.mindurhindi.com/basic-words-and-phrases-in-hindi...

Jeden, dva, tri, štyri, päť, šesť, sedem, osem, deväť, desať - Slovak

Re: How we know languages like proto-Indo-European existed [video]

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post #32

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English is increasingly using the singular 'they' as a workaround, since alternative options like 've,' 'ze,' 'zhe,' and 'xer' didn't gain traction. This comes with its own set of issues—initially, it was a bit disorienting for me, and even now it often requires a mental pause to parse what the speaker is referring to. I'd welcome a more authoritarian approach here: globally adopt a new pronoun, go through a transiti…

English is definitely leading in terms of genderlessness, but that advantage is more than offset by its complete detachment between spelling and pronunciation. It would be nice to have a language with sensible spelling/pronunciation but no gender.

Welsh is about 95% phonetic in spelling. Maybe English with Welsh spelling?

Re: How we know languages like proto-Indo-European existed [video]

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

English is increasingly using the singular 'they' as a workaround, since alternative options like 've,' 'ze,' 'zhe,' and 'xer' didn't gain traction. This comes with its own set of issues—initially, it was a bit disorienting for me, and even now it often requires a mental pause to parse what the speaker is referring to. I'd welcome a more authoritarian approach here: globally adopt a new pronoun, go through a transiti…

English is definitely leading in terms of genderlessness, but that advantage is more than offset by its complete detachment between spelling and pronunciation. It would be nice to have a language with sensible spelling/pronunciation but no gender.

> its complete detachment between spelling and pronunciation.

Whose dialect are you going to choose to render phonetically? Mine from the West Country, or that of my friends from Newcastle?

Will you standardise on short a in castle (Newcastle upon Tyne, North East England) or long a in castle (Restormel Castle, Cornwall)?

Or should each person just write phonetically so that we have millions of idiolects?

Re: How we know languages like proto-Indo-European existed [video]

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The first couple of episodes of the podcast “The History of English” about PIE are fascinating. I’d highly recommend it for anyone interested in a quick intro to PIE (or the rest of the podcast in general, if you’re interested in the history of the English language).
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