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Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

#11
There are a lot of touted ergo features: tenting, concave keywell, l/r split, ortho columns, thumb cluster. Of these, the most important IME is the thumb cluster -- giving more work to your thumbs and taking load off your pinkies.

This led me to HHKB JP layout for 80/20 ergo benefit without having to carry two unwieldy halves of a keyboard when I want portability. Still use Kinesis Advantage 2 at home, but nothing beats the HHKB JP when traveling.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

#12
I love my Glove80 with Pro Reds at 35 grams. 14 years on Kinesis Advantage and not looking back.

I gave up on ordering KA360 when I heard from several people that even the wired version was as plagued with issues as the Bluetooth one without in house expertise to resolve it, reliant on contractors.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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post #10

I bought moonlander some time ago and found the learning process far too frustrating. What's more, I noticed that the more I switched to the new layout, the more I was struggling with more classic ones (primarily laptops and my trusty MS NEK 4000). That was enough for me to shelve the moonlander for now. How long it takes to fully and comfortably switch, including all the punctuation characters? Did you also struggle…

Took me a few days. 14 years ago on Kinesis Advantage, it took me maybe 2 weeks.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

#14

I haven't been following ergonomic keyboards for awhile, but went pretty deep a few years ago back when the Dactyl Manuform and Kinesis were the only names in town. So seeing the Glove80, I was excited to see a new "mass-manufactured" entrant in the space, since dactyl manuforms have to be 3d-printed and handwired, thus meaning they're hard to come by and quite expensive. The glove80 looks interesting, however at $40…

Dactyl thumb cluster is not good. Glove80 nailed it and the community is very supportive.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

#15
I know I need one. I have an Alice layout keyboard (think Microsoft ergonomic keyboard) and it helps but I know a fully ergonomic keyboard that I can tent is in my future eventually.

Anyone have tips on getting up to speed with a new keyboard? My productivity drops dramatically every time I’ve tried it. Last time with a Kinesis FreeStyle and I just wasn’t adjusting fast enough.

I’ll take tips on how to adopt an ergonomic mouse too

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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post #10

I bought moonlander some time ago and found the learning process far too frustrating. What's more, I noticed that the more I switched to the new layout, the more I was struggling with more classic ones (primarily laptops and my trusty MS NEK 4000). That was enough for me to shelve the moonlander for now. How long it takes to fully and comfortably switch, including all the punctuation characters? Did you also struggle…

I went through the similar journey with Moonlander. Took me about 3/4 months to be comfortable, with tweaking the layout quite a few times.

I did have some struggling with normal layout after. It sounds silly but after typing almost everyday on monkeytype.com, things (wpm, accuracy, etc) are stable for me.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

#17
post #10

I bought moonlander some time ago and found the learning process far too frustrating. What's more, I noticed that the more I switched to the new layout, the more I was struggling with more classic ones (primarily laptops and my trusty MS NEK 4000). That was enough for me to shelve the moonlander for now. How long it takes to fully and comfortably switch, including all the punctuation characters? Did you also struggle…

The learning process is pretty normal, other than that you have a vague idea of where keys are if you're already touch typer, which is to say it's incredibly frustrating... until it's not.

How long it takes probably depends on the person but I'd say if you actually force yourself to use it you'd probably feel comfortable on it in less than a month. To me it wasn't really much of a choice. It was one of many changes I had to make to help deal with RSI.

A lot of people use standard keyboards their entire life without issue. If you're not experiencing issues with a standard keyboard, why make things harder on yourself than necessary?

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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post #10

I bought moonlander some time ago and found the learning process far too frustrating. What's more, I noticed that the more I switched to the new layout, the more I was struggling with more classic ones (primarily laptops and my trusty MS NEK 4000). That was enough for me to shelve the moonlander for now. How long it takes to fully and comfortably switch, including all the punctuation characters? Did you also struggle…

I had learned touch-typing (for a non-qwerty layout), so using a keyboard where the keys are in columns isn't so difficult.

I suspect it's difficult for the "quick hunt-and-peck", where your fingers can quickly hunt down the keys on the staggered rows, but aren't trained to follow finger-per-column that the classic touch-typing discipline encourages.

> ... including all the punctuation characters

It's actually not so bad. The symbols associated with 0-9 stay in the same positions as you put 0-9. This leaves `, -=, [], /\. You can put [] near (), or in some other way that makes sense; you can put /\ together. ` I tend to have on a pinky finger. -- Rather, I'd say there are ways of arranging the symbols so that it retains what you're familiar with, or has an improved association to it.

> ... the more I was struggling with more classic ones ...

When I was learning a non-qwerty layout, I struggled using either qwerty or dvorak. Eventually, my motor memory was able to sort it out. -- Although, I think using different layouts on the same keyboard is very confusing.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

#19
I was using the Kinesis Advantage 2 (KA2) for the longest while 8+ years now, and then recently upgraded to the Kinesis Advantage 360 and the KA2 was still hands down the best keyboard that I used. I still switch between the KA2 and KA360 but the KA360 is as mentioned plagued with so many issues, from the bluetooth connection issues all the way to setting the keymap using the ZMK software. I would still recommend the KA2 for most users and also the best bang for the buck if you can get one used or refurbished. The split also doesn't make as big of a difference as it seemed at least from my proportions.
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