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Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by readthenotes1 »

nkrisc wrote: post #78
perihelions wrote: post #62

- "blocked a San Francisco ambulance from getting a pedestrian hit by a vehicle" I'm taking no "position" on either "side" of the debate, but I feel it's noteworthy that a *human-driven* car killed a pedestrian (seriously?) here, and that fact is utterly banal and completely unremarkable to the authors—and to us. AI cars are still highly flawed and kill people. Human-driven cars are highly flawed, probably more flawe…

Because why the person needed an ambulance is completely immaterial to whether the ambulance was impeded a self-driving vehicle or not. It could have just as easily been a heart attack and the questions raised about self-driving vehicles would be no different.

It was blocked by a self-driving vehicle and an empty cop car.

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by ilaksh »

perihelions wrote: post #62

- "blocked a San Francisco ambulance from getting a pedestrian hit by a vehicle" I'm taking no "position" on either "side" of the debate, but I feel it's noteworthy that a *human-driven* car killed a pedestrian (seriously?) here, and that fact is utterly banal and completely unremarkable to the authors—and to us. AI cars are still highly flawed and kill people. Human-driven cars are highly flawed, probably more flawe…

AI driven cars are not highly flawed and very, very rarely kill people. Humans driving cars are often reckless or intoxicated and kill many, many people every day.

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by Tempest1981 »

perihelions wrote: post #62

- "blocked a San Francisco ambulance from getting a pedestrian hit by a vehicle" I'm taking no "position" on either "side" of the debate, but I feel it's noteworthy that a *human-driven* car killed a pedestrian (seriously?) here, and that fact is utterly banal and completely unremarkable to the authors—and to us. AI cars are still highly flawed and kill people. Human-driven cars are highly flawed, probably more flawe…

News stories are about things that are new/novel -- that's why people read and discuss the news.

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by mcpackieh »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #127
mcpackieh wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument has the form of: "We have to do something. This is something, therefore we have to do this." You've failed to establish automated driving as a safer alternative, let alone the best practical solution. The fact that these cars can't even move out of the way of emergency vehicles proves they aren't ready for testing on the public now. > requires real-world deployment experience. Not at this stage it doesn…

You've failed to establish automated driving as a safer alternative, And you've failed to establish anything as a safer alternative. (Want to get Americans out of their cars? Bring guns. You'll need a lot of them.) Get out of the way of the people who are trying to make things better, please.

> And you've failed to establish anything as a safer alternative.

I don't have, but since you've asked here are some possibilities, pick and choose as many as you like: ban cars, mandate breathalyzer interlocks, revise safety standards, improve collision avoidance systems in human-driven cars.

> Get out of the way of the people who are trying to make things better, please

Trying to make things better doesn't give you license to actually make things worse. Good intentions don't count if I think what you're trying is actually making things worse.

> Get out of the way

No.

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by halfcat »

tremon wrote: post #123
halfcat wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if a brand new, human-driven taxi breaks down, blocking the ambulance? Is the taxi company on the hook?

Did the Cruise robotaxi have a mechanical malfunction? If not, can you try harder to come up with a more relevant whataboutism?

No. Because it’s irrelevant how relevant it is. That’s the entire point.

It could be a stalled car, or a fallen tree.

People get overly concerned with blame attribution, and future prevention, when there is often no fault to begin with.

It’s akin to starting a witch hunt after the bad harvest.

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by bink »

minwcnt5 wrote: post #55
bink wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need to publish it on a website. They could release it to the local news orgs that handle this type of video daily. It's not hard to blur things that would be offensive.

Isn't that exactly what they've done? Forbes, NBC, KRON4, SFStandard, and probably other news orgs have all reviewed the video.

I'm not sure how many orgs have seen it. I've heard of two and we don't have any way of knowing if they saw an edited or full copy and from all available angles. They apparently haven't been allowed to make a copy of it and broadcast it so we can make up our own minds.

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by flandish »

Us FD (and some police) have what we call “knox box keys” - knox is a brand. They’re locked in the apparatus, and with a pin code or radio signal I can get them unlocked and then from there unlock a little box on a building. That contains the buildings master keys. Anyway - if apparatus contained corporate keys (fobs, fido, physical, whatever) that allow a FD member to drive the car - I can 100% see that being part of a scene SOP/G. Tell the probie “get the key, move that AV out of the way.” Or bull bars on my tanker will make it happen..

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by _boffin_ »

perihelions wrote: post #62

- "blocked a San Francisco ambulance from getting a pedestrian hit by a vehicle" I'm taking no "position" on either "side" of the debate, but I feel it's noteworthy that a *human-driven* car killed a pedestrian (seriously?) here, and that fact is utterly banal and completely unremarkable to the authors—and to us. AI cars are still highly flawed and kill people. Human-driven cars are highly flawed, probably more flawe…

Follow the money, politics, and known knowns and you’ll find the reasons on why articles like this are published.

Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by bob_theslob646 »

nickthegreek wrote: post #118
phpisthebest wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like with most things autonomous cars my question would be what is the over/under on how autonomous cars compare to the human population because I see Human drivers blocking emergency vehicles all the time... So the question is not, imo, if autonomous cars will be perfect, all the time. But if they are better than human drivers.

A human can be held accountable. When another vehicle causes harm to a person, I want accountability. When things go wrong, and they will, who is being held liable. The answer cannot be no one.

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Re: SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance

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Post by Gigachad »

nkrisc wrote: post #78
perihelions wrote: post #62

- "blocked a San Francisco ambulance from getting a pedestrian hit by a vehicle" I'm taking no "position" on either "side" of the debate, but I feel it's noteworthy that a *human-driven* car killed a pedestrian (seriously?) here, and that fact is utterly banal and completely unremarkable to the authors—and to us. AI cars are still highly flawed and kill people. Human-driven cars are highly flawed, probably more flawe…

Because why the person needed an ambulance is completely immaterial to whether the ambulance was impeded a self-driving vehicle or not. It could have just as easily been a heart attack and the questions raised about self-driving vehicles would be no different.

No I think OP has a valid point. There is almost no news coverage about the absolutely massive problem of human drivers killing people constantly. It's become an actual crisis in America that's spiraling out of control.

Meanwhile the media only focuses on weird stuff like scooter accidents and self driving cars which is statistically irrelevant.

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