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Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by baz00 »

bestcoder69 wrote: post #34
baz00 wrote: post #24

This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…

Self-driving cars work really well so far. But we'll see, I guess! https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/09/are-self-driving-cars-a...

All this proves is self-published research works really well for businesses! I've worked for ones that won't publish the bad reports I've written.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by littlestymaar »

yashap wrote: post #32

You have to be absolutely insane to beta test Tesla FSD, it’s very dangerous and full of bugs, nowhere close to ready. The only reason it’s out on public roads is because Musk is in charge, and he’s happy to take massive risks and kill people to get to market a bit faster. Waymo, on the other hand, is actually very good. Waymo is (IMO) actually a bit better/safer than the average human driver, Tesla FSD is way, WAYYY…

Tesla should never be allowed to ship broken beta builds in the first place! Criminal negligence is a thing…

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by musha68k »

Aside from questioning self driving cars and Tesla’s misleading marketing stories in particular; “you don’t even have skin in the game anymore” (so who still has then?)

Why - in this highly safety critical domain - is there ever anything close to “beta” software accessible to end-users? What about all other participants in traffic? This “perpetual beta” approach hasn’t been industry best practice for most of its existence.

There used to be years long development and testing procedures, all happening outside of common traffic.

This is all a big marketing racket attempted to as “efficiently as possible” transfer most of risks and costs on masterfully deceived consumers and the ever unquestioned public.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by littlestymaar »

thereare5lights wrote: post #10

Elon Musk follows Longtermism. His position is that few deaths here and there today don't matter if it brings about full self driving cars.

If he wants to be among the “few deaths”, good for him, but none if us signed up for his shit.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by dzhiurgis »

crubier wrote: post #35

Tesla gets a lot of Flak, but all driving assistance systems in commercial cars today that I tried are wayyy more terrible. My long term rental Nissan Rogue lane following system tries to kill me multiple times a day, and only disconnects with an alarm 2seconds+ after leaving the lanes.

True they are so basic it’s sad, but on a flip side warnings are so obnoxious on Tesla plus it’s kinda easy to accidentally disable autosteer without noticing only to discover you are drifting over into other lane.

Wonder if Tesla could somehow allow to drive with less steering wheel resistance but also autosteer reliably.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by hakfoo »

baz00 wrote: post #24

This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…

Self=driving cars could be important, if we used them in ways that didn't play to the traditional car narratives. An always-connected vehicle could start to deliver some of the "system intelligence" we see in more controlled public-transit platforms.

Self-driving cars should be smart enough to say "You specified a destination downtown. I will wait 4 minutes 23 seconds before departure because we'll have a peak cohort of people driving downtown, and can maximize fuel economy by drafting and traveling as a convoy." Potentially we even get to the point where the cars couple together and form transient "trains" to to spread the wear on the drive systems.

We could even have controls like "A parade/diplomatic mission/emergency vehicle is travelling down XYZ Street; to ensure their security, a two-block radius around it been flagged as no-go for any autonomous vehicles."

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

thereare5lights wrote: post #10

Elon Musk follows Longtermism. His position is that few deaths here and there today don't matter if it brings about full self driving cars.

That might mean something if he was principled and competent rather than simply narcissistic and stabbing in the dark with generational wealth.
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