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Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by _a_a_a_ »

Jerrrry wrote: post #60
_a_a_a_ wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's nnDMT, not 5meoDMT. She will not hurt you (my emphasis). You irresponsible idiot. That's equivalent to saying it's harmless – no drug is, all have risks both mental and physical[1] (mental perhaps being the main one here, but the almost instant 'lights out' of DMT can cause physical injury). [1] and legal.

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I cannot imagine your motivations for writing this. It's so offensively bad and inaccurate it defies my understanding. It's also dangerous enough to flag, which I have.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by bluepod4 »

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #34
bluepod4 wrote: post #30

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Did you mean to post that on a different thread?

No. There is/was another post on the front page about the SAG-AFTRA strike related to voice acting and its relevance to gameplay. I wanted someone who has played Psychonauts (more than I have) to give their opinion about the voice acting in this game lol.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by _a_a_a_ »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #59
_a_a_a_ wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like the usual covert anti-drugs post that comes up every time, with sloppy claims and a total absence of facts. > or that you simply over-indulge in them duh. What isn't dangerous if you're stupid. > They're not something you do for a giddy high Weasel words 'giddy'. And I do use them precisely for a high. > One thing people need to do is integrate the various lessons they've gained from tripping into th…

"Integration" is a very common term so it should be easy to read a better description that I'm about to give. My take on it is that integration is the process of reflecting on one's experience and figuring out what it means for your real life. For instance, say someone is burdened with thoughts of self-hatred due to growing up with critical and non-supportive parents. Although they can intellectually entertain the th…

Actually some of that rings a bell, so thank you for explaining. I believe what I've experienced is that but it's not so much an insight that needs analysing so much as having the obviousness of it thrust in your face. In my case, no analysis needed, but I am of course speaking only for myself.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by kortex »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #52
Jerrrry wrote: post #35

DMT only lasts 10-15 minutes, and will be so overpowering, glorious, and delightful, that one can only compare it to losing one's virginity, or being born again. Mushrooms and LSD are way too longer/overrated and I fear those who haven't further explored the latent chemical/consciousness space misrepresent the dimension that, quite frankly, BETTER chemicals have to offer. Dont do shrooms, 4acoDMT is far superior. Don…

I don't like this post. As a user of drugs when I can get hold of them (and strongly inclined to their legalisation), describing something as "overpowering, glorious, and delightful" dangerously misrepresent each person's own experience. Descriptions like this are bad advertising at best and at worst dangerously irresponsible. I also don't like your personal recommendation of DMT over mushrooms. You're not in a posit…

I think you are missing an incredible amount of context. The main takeaways I got from GP's post are:

- psychedelics can be and usually are an incredible life-changing experience for the better

- psychedelic-naive users should start with the lowest-duration drugs until they know how their body and brain react to them

- it's also a really good idea to have an "abort button" on hand (xanax/olams. Personally I'd recommend lorazepam, it's much safer and milder) if things start to go really south

I understand the concern about polypharmacy, but Benzos and psychedelics don't really have adverse interactions. The whole point is that benzos can put the kabash on the anxiety component of a "bad trip" (they won't stop the trip but they will mitigate the potential for psychological injury).

On the other hand, GP is saying things elsewhere in thread that feel... insufficiently substantiated, to be generous.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by amts »

capableweb wrote: post #54
amts wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though toxicity seems the main difference, comment above is talking about experience and not molecular mechanisms of action. In a similar vein, if someone would ask a distinguished professor of neuroscience to provide a full description of the exact brain molecular state that "generates" an exact salvia experience (including any communicative content), s/he would fail.

> Though toxicity seems the main difference, comment above is talking about experience and not molecular mechanisms of action. As someone who has done both, in similar settings, I'd still disagree with this. Datura was devilish like none other and probably one of the few psychedelics I'd never do again.

Datura being anticholinergic degrades the effect of acetylcholine, which is one of the components of (regular) attention. So no wonder it seems scary. But would you have the same experience after, for example, 10 days of continuous mindfulness/focusing meditation? Or after 30 days?

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by Kiboneu »

Jerrrry wrote: post #35

DMT only lasts 10-15 minutes, and will be so overpowering, glorious, and delightful, that one can only compare it to losing one's virginity, or being born again. Mushrooms and LSD are way too longer/overrated and I fear those who haven't further explored the latent chemical/consciousness space misrepresent the dimension that, quite frankly, BETTER chemicals have to offer. Dont do shrooms, 4acoDMT is far superior. Don…

Don't take xanax before the trip; and if you are really so inclined, just have the proper dosage ready nearby. The trick is /knowing/ that you can stop it. But treat it as a last resort.

If you let go, the fear will melt away on its own. If it does, you'll find a level of peace and clarity. If it doesn't, even a bad trip can teach you something, if you step outside your mind and observe it like a scientist of yourself. This is part of gaining experience. This is part of the point of taking a psychedelic in the first place. If you chemically alter the fear away, you will never learn this. Start with a small dose, in a peaceful setting, with someone you trust who has done it before, do not re-dose during your first trip.

Take shrooms or acid if you want to. They are serious drugs but akin to a lucid dream, if you believe in the adverse effects then they will hold more weight on your psyche. In this sense OP's comments are doing a massive disservice.

Go to erowid and study up from there, instead of taking OP's obviously projected advice.

(Also, in another comment, OP writes that it is impossible to OD on benzos alone, which is false. Judge the quality of the information for yourself.)

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by kortex »

Jerrrry wrote: post #60
_a_a_a_ wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's nnDMT, not 5meoDMT. She will not hurt you (my emphasis). You irresponsible idiot. That's equivalent to saying it's harmless – no drug is, all have risks both mental and physical[1] (mental perhaps being the main one here, but the almost instant 'lights out' of DMT can cause physical injury). [1] and legal.

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> LSD will fry your brain. Mushrooms will make you so open, your brain falls out.

And DMT doesn't have that risk? Press X to doubt. I've done a tremendous amount of research on harm reduction, and all sources list a pretty similar risk profile for all classical psychedelics. Perhaps DMT administration is more self-limiting than other 5-HT2a class drugs, but it still very much can cause lasting negative psychological effects.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by amts »

neom wrote: post #49
amts wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Datura is a deliriant. Such definition includes very little context. You should try more functional, mindful set&setting based approaches.

Here is some context: https://www.bionity.com/en/encyclopedia/Psychedelics%2C_diss... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliriant

Cocaine is anesthetic in one context and stimulant in another. Meth can be sedative in specific contexts (according to dr. Andrew Weil). The classification above may be partially useful, but obviously not effective.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by Sebguer »

bluepod4 wrote: post #62
BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you mean to post that on a different thread?

No. There is/was another post on the front page about the SAG-AFTRA strike related to voice acting and its relevance to gameplay. I wanted someone who has played Psychonauts (more than I have) to give their opinion about the voice acting in this game lol.

... This isn't about the game, it's about psychedelics, the drugs.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by whimsicalism »

Jerrrry wrote: post #35

DMT only lasts 10-15 minutes, and will be so overpowering, glorious, and delightful, that one can only compare it to losing one's virginity, or being born again. Mushrooms and LSD are way too longer/overrated and I fear those who haven't further explored the latent chemical/consciousness space misrepresent the dimension that, quite frankly, BETTER chemicals have to offer. Dont do shrooms, 4acoDMT is far superior. Don…

I would only recommend shrooms for the beginner.

LSD is way too intense for the casual and DMT imo is scary even if it is short.

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