While it’s bad that the ambulance was blocked for 90 seconds, the title makes it seem like the person died because the ambulance was blocked- which is uncertain.
SF Fire Dept.: Person Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance
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#32"Throughout the entire duration the AV is stopped, traffic remains unblocked and flowing to the right of the AV," a Cruise spokesperson said in a statement. "The ambulance behind the AV had a clear path to pass the AV as other vehicles, including another ambulance, proceeded to do." Cruise seems to be ignorant of the law here. the law is: YOU GET OUT OF THE WAY of emergency vehicles, period. unless you are "landlocke…
But there's clearly a difference in the scope of the problem between A) vehicle behaves badly, but it causes no harm, and B) vehicle behaves badly in a way that causes harm repeatedly.
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#33Until further investigated, this is FUD.
The term FUD makes sense in low-risk applications where the benefit of the doubt ought to be given. In safety-critical contexts it should be completely reversed, and confidence, certainty and trust should be looked at extremely critically.
The precautionary principle is not what is called for here.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
It isn't FUD, it's dumb autonomous vehicles won't get out of the way. Just force them to allow human intervention, a person gets in and moves it. What's the big deal? It shouldn't even be restricted to emergency personnel. If people steal them Cruise can file charges and consider it an expense of doing business.
I'm bearish on self driving usually but this seems blown out of porportions. 1) I don't think it was in the way. A lane was open to the right lane but it waited 90s for a firetruck to move in the left lane before it continued on. 2) If I am paying for a ride in a Cruise and some random person hops in the front seat to "relocate" the car because it is inconviencing them - I will not be happy. Safety issue, etc. 3) We…
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#35Is the mentioned video public?
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#36Reads like a robo ambulance would have figured out what to do better than the human driver here. Since everyone else figured out how to drive around in a completely unimpeded lane to the right.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Title says after not because...
By this logic, the title would be equally correct if they wrote "Jimmy Buffet Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance"
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm bearish on self driving usually but this seems blown out of porportions. 1) I don't think it was in the way. A lane was open to the right lane but it waited 90s for a firetruck to move in the left lane before it continued on. 2) If I am paying for a ride in a Cruise and some random person hops in the front seat to "relocate" the car because it is inconviencing them - I will not be happy. Safety issue, etc. 3) We…
2) sure.. and you won't be happy if someone carjacks your uber either I imagine? get out of the car.
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#39Waymo has been at this game and working on their tech since around 2007.
Cruise definitely not as long ... no robo AI car company should be allowed on roads until they have proven themselves like Waymo has .. it's irresponsible and proving deadly like Uber's rush to do the same. Start-up bros killing it yet in this instance actually killing people... ridiculous ... no scruples/morals!
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#40I think SFFD is rightfully worried about robotaxis but this doesn’t seem to be the case. When cameras are recording everything, you can’t just make up facts. “The video captured by Cruise showed that the ambulance parked behind the Cruise and did not attempt to pass the robotaxi in the rightmost unblocked lane. Instead, responders moved a firetruck to allow the ambulance to pass on the left. The video, which Cruise d…
I think the safe default assumption is that if the ambulance driver didn't use the right lane, there was probably a good reason. Clearly the firetruck driver agreed with them. Maybe traffic was moving so quickly that they'd have to accelerate hard and risk hurting the patient, or they were concerned about getting rear-ended. Regardless, Cruise's vehicle clearly was at fault for not getting out of the way.
The cruse driver could still have slowed their exit by a few seconds even without being a significant obstacle. The issue is ambulances encounter a lot of cars on the way to and from an accident, so a few seconds per car can add up to a significant delay overall.