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Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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It is not common at all. You have maybe several people dying every year, which is in the "hit by lightning" territory. It's very well-publicized whenever it happens, which probably helps keep the numbers low. But this is a very unusual way to die.

Ah, just wait until another Russian scientist or business person gets hit by lightning.

Suicide by lightning twice to the back of the head is on the rise in that part of the world.

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How many millions of people go mushroom hunting?

Given approximately everyone's heard of it, and warnings about it, but also that I don't personally know anyone who tells me that they personally do this, my guess is in the order of 1% of the population. Might be more, might be less. 1% of Russia would be 1.5 million (and given this thread, 412k for Ukraine).

1%?!

According to the 2014 survey https://fom.ru/Obraz-zhizni/11711 , 75% Russians have ever went to pick up mushrooms, and 40% have done it in the last year before the survey. 8% personally know people who suffered from mushroom poisoning.

This corresponds to my expectations: I'm from a neighbouring country, Belarus, and basically almost everyone around me has been picking up mushrooms.

That's not just a culinary experience, but a way to relax: go to forest, disconnect from the world, unwind. (People also pick up blueberries and lingonberries for the same reasons.)

Oh, and my classmate died from mushroom poisoning.

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> How did the he die? > From mushroom poisoning > But… there’s a bullet hole in his head.. > He refused to eat the mushrooms (Joke from 1980’s, Eastern Europe)

Sounds more like lead poisoning.

Poor chap was meant to die of mushroom poisoning. His refusal to actually consume and the bullet hole are insignificant details in Eastern Europe.

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This is not really suspicious. I regularly went foraging for shrooms in Ukraine with my gram gram, but I was not allowed to pick anything, of course. It requires expertise. In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it. If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they…

Sounds like your gram gram was overly careful. Foraging for mushrooms does not require huge amounts expertise. It requires a little bit of common sense. If you regularly went foraging, it would have been possible for you to learn a few easily identifiable and unmistakable mushrooms. At least in the Nordics (and I assume it would be the same near by), it is quite easy to teach another person a few mushrooms to forage…

If you take a 6 year old mushroom foraging you tell them not to eat any mushrooms without showing you first, because it requires an expert ;)

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The people I feel for are the ones that change countries and mistake a deadly lookalike for what is an edible mushroom in their country. Google is letting me down but I believe something like this happened to a Vietnamese family in the UK.

It's also happening as the growing ranges of mushrooms change. You can have a poisonous look alike expand into an area and catch experienced local mushroom hunters that weren't aware of it.

It makes me wonder about the amount of commonality there is in the toxins in mushrooms, and if some quick litmus or chemical sniffing test could be developed.

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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This is not really suspicious. I regularly went foraging for shrooms in Ukraine with my gram gram, but I was not allowed to pick anything, of course. It requires expertise. In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it. If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they…

Does it say they were foraging or that the mushrooms were wild? > In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it. It's very common for people to die of mushroom poisoning in Russia?

> Does it say they were foraging or that the mushrooms were wild?

Both: https://charter97.org/ru/news/2023/8/31/561949/

They say that on 9th of August he went foraging, on 10th of August he ate the mushrooms and went from his dacha to Moscow, he felt bad on that day. In the morning of 11th of August he had ambulance called for him. He was in hospital until 30th of August when he died.

> It's very common for people to die of mushroom poisoning in Russia?

According to official stats https://www.rospotrebnadzor.ru/activities/recommendations/de... around 30 people die of mushroom poisoning in Russia every year. (And around 1000 suffer from such poisoning every year.)

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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This is not really suspicious. I regularly went foraging for shrooms in Ukraine with my gram gram, but I was not allowed to pick anything, of course. It requires expertise. In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it. If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they…

> think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they end up shooting themselves by accident.

It happens, particularly "glock leg". But to be frank a lot of those "sat down in their office/study, looked down the barrel of the gun and accidentally pulled the trigger" deaths are suicides staged as accidents for the benefit of their family. Put a cleaning kit on the desk and there won't be many questions.

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I am just Russian who live in Russia and have some local context here. You are free to call me a troll, but I think you are just devaluing opinions that you don't like. At least I can speak about local mushroom eating traditions and dangers from first hands - I do it from childhood.

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There are left apologists for Russia too. Jeffrey Sachs, Chomsky (he is doing it again, defending tyrants).

Chomsky a Russian apologist? Citation needed.

https://www.e-flux.com/notes/470005/open-letter-to-noam-chom...

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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People legit do die from mushrooms though. We had an incident locally a few months ago involving a restaurant that served a kind of mushroom that needs to be cooked, but didn't cook them (allegedly).

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The dates don't add up.

The scientist got into hospital with mushroom positioning at 11th of August. https://charter97.org/ru/news/2023/8/31/561949/

The crash happened on the 19th of August. https://meduza.io/news/2023/08/19/roskosmos-pri-perehode-sta...

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