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Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by Kiro »

jeremyt wrote: post #110
thih9 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also thought your point is to disregard safety measures. Perhaps because your original comment says that the article is ridiculous; and the article, sensationalized or not, advises to “conserve food and water, shelter in a warm space”.

But I didn't say that. You just made that assumption. Just because the article is ridiculous does not mean I disagree with every single thing in there. I just think it's ridiculous, particularly in tone. And also, I stand behind saying there's plenty of food and water. So, by all means "conserve food and water" if you want to, but saying that people "need" to is overstating the reality.

So why are you downplaying this?

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by somsak2 »

geocrasher wrote: post #59
jeremyt wrote: post #40

Folks, the article is breathless and ridiculous. As someone who is not there, but who has been there four times and run build lead for my camp... Rain is not unheard of. It's probably pretty muddy and less fun than it normally would be. Nobody is starving or dying of dehydration, and there is no danger of that. Most camps (and many people) have a huge surplus of supplies. Last time I was there, I drove out with a few…

I live about 2 hrs south of BM quite near the route that all the burners take to get to BM. It's rainy, has been for the last two days. But this is Nevada. It'll dry up and be like it never happened in no time.

> It'll dry up and be like it never happened in no time.

With more rain slated for today and Sunday, and the fact that it ends on Monday, I wouldn't be so optimistic.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by jeremyt »

Kiro wrote: post #111
jeremyt wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I didn't say that. You just made that assumption. Just because the article is ridiculous does not mean I disagree with every single thing in there. I just think it's ridiculous, particularly in tone. And also, I stand behind saying there's plenty of food and water. So, by all means "conserve food and water" if you want to, but saying that people "need" to is overstating the reality.

So why are you downplaying this?

Seriously? You're still confused?

I believe the article is factually correct-ish, but is sensationalized and is spreading FUD and causing unnecessary potential panic.

That's why. I'm downplaying because it needs downplaying.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

#115

Post by tapatio »

jeremyt wrote: post #40

Folks, the article is breathless and ridiculous. As someone who is not there, but who has been there four times and run build lead for my camp... Rain is not unheard of. It's probably pretty muddy and less fun than it normally would be. Nobody is starving or dying of dehydration, and there is no danger of that. Most camps (and many people) have a huge surplus of supplies. Last time I was there, I drove out with a few…

It’s been impossible for me to get a ticket to attend. How do I increase my odds of getting one? You’re lucky to have gone 4 times already!

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

#116

Post by jph »

jeremyt wrote: post #96
jph wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're there, shelter in place, and listen to people who are more experienced. This helps the medics. Typically many medical issues are straightforward to triage and treat with field kits. Then the medics ask the person's friends to drive the person to Reno for more in-depth care. Examples in my experience are twisted ankles, broken arms, alcohol sickness, dehydration, cardiac events, infections, lost prescription…

That is not a counterpoint. Counterpoint to what? Not sure where I said "don't shelter in place". Not sure where I said "don't listen to people more experienced". All I said is that nobody is going to starve or die of dehydration because they ran out of food/water. I stand behind that.

When I wrote counterpoint, I meant to your opening "Folks, the article is breathless and ridiculous" and closing ":rolleyes:" because those sound (to me) like shallow dismissals. And felt (to me) like you were downplaying safety measures.

I'll delete my counterpoint word. My comment focuses on safety measures.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by 6D794163636F756 »

Kiro wrote: post #111
jeremyt wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I didn't say that. You just made that assumption. Just because the article is ridiculous does not mean I disagree with every single thing in there. I just think it's ridiculous, particularly in tone. And also, I stand behind saying there's plenty of food and water. So, by all means "conserve food and water" if you want to, but saying that people "need" to is overstating the reality.

So why are you downplaying this?

I think you're both attacking this problem from similar places. Panicking is a good way to get people to disregard safety measures. Shelter in place is important and one way to help it work is to reassure people that there are enough supplies.

From what I gathered, you're both saying that the correct situation is to stay in place because there are enough supplies? The key is to reinforce that idea and downplay the risk as long as everyone listens. If the roads are muddy and miserable remember that the more experienced participants prepared for this. Staying with them, sheltering in place is your best bet. If you try to leave and not follow safety protocols and the experienced participants you're likely to get yourself into trouble.

While you two are arguing it seems to be on the angle of approach and not the outcome. At least that's what it seems like to me who honestly has no idea what's going on and only barely read the article.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by frisco »

tapatio wrote: post #115
jeremyt wrote: post #40

Folks, the article is breathless and ridiculous. As someone who is not there, but who has been there four times and run build lead for my camp... Rain is not unheard of. It's probably pretty muddy and less fun than it normally would be. Nobody is starving or dying of dehydration, and there is no danger of that. Most camps (and many people) have a huge surplus of supplies. Last time I was there, I drove out with a few…

It’s been impossible for me to get a ticket to attend. How do I increase my odds of getting one? You’re lucky to have gone 4 times already!

You should find a camp to join that can help coordinate tickets. (Whether Directed Group Sale or just having the network for overflow tickets.) Unless you’re prepared to spend $$$ and suffer through figuring out a lot to truly DIY it, it’ll be a much better experience to be part of a camp that knows what it is doing anyway.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

#119

Post by thih9 »

jeremyt wrote: post #114
Kiro wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why are you downplaying this?

Seriously? You're still confused? I believe the article is factually correct-ish, but is sensationalized and is spreading FUD and causing unnecessary potential panic. That's why. I'm downplaying because it needs downplaying.

> I believe the article is factually correct-ish, but is sensationalized and is spreading FUD and causing unnecessary potential panic.

This wording is clear to me.

If this was in your original comment, I wouldn’t assume that you’re recommending to disregard safety measures.

Otherwise “ridiculous” or “:rolleyes:” are very ambiguous to me.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

#120

Post by stickfigure »

tapatio wrote: post #115
jeremyt wrote: post #40

Folks, the article is breathless and ridiculous. As someone who is not there, but who has been there four times and run build lead for my camp... Rain is not unheard of. It's probably pretty muddy and less fun than it normally would be. Nobody is starving or dying of dehydration, and there is no danger of that. Most camps (and many people) have a huge surplus of supplies. Last time I was there, I drove out with a few…

It’s been impossible for me to get a ticket to attend. How do I increase my odds of getting one? You’re lucky to have gone 4 times already!

Burning man has peaked. This year there were tons of people trying to sell their ticket at discount. Some friends were giving away tickets. I don't think we will see the same demand again. Which is good - 70k people is more than enough.

Next year, just watch craigslist or fb marketplace a month beforehand.

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