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Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Yep turns to a caustic mud. There was a weird weather modification attempt during the 2000 one. Mandated curfew one night everyone ordered to stay in their camps events canceled. Sunny day and 4 huge military cargo aircraft come from east circle and head south then weather came from south west and windy that night. Anyways what ever happened the playa gets less comfortable when it's wet and cool.

Do you mean caustic as in the dictionaty definition of caustic? That is, the mud on the playa turns corrosive when mixed with water?

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Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep turns to a caustic mud. There was a weird weather modification attempt during the 2000 one. Mandated curfew one night everyone ordered to stay in their camps events canceled. Sunny day and 4 huge military cargo aircraft come from east circle and head south then weather came from south west and windy that night. Anyways what ever happened the playa gets less comfortable when it's wet and cool.

Do you mean caustic as in the dictionaty definition of caustic? That is, the mud on the playa turns corrosive when mixed with water?

is there something not hard to believe about that?

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep turns to a caustic mud. There was a weird weather modification attempt during the 2000 one. Mandated curfew one night everyone ordered to stay in their camps events canceled. Sunny day and 4 huge military cargo aircraft come from east circle and head south then weather came from south west and windy that night. Anyways what ever happened the playa gets less comfortable when it's wet and cool.

Do you mean caustic as in the dictionaty definition of caustic? That is, the mud on the playa turns corrosive when mixed with water?

It’ll definitely screw up your skin (not fatally), and can cause corrosion to vehicles and the like. It’s mostly alkaline though. So think (weak) lye, not acidic.

PH is around 10

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep turns to a caustic mud. There was a weird weather modification attempt during the 2000 one. Mandated curfew one night everyone ordered to stay in their camps events canceled. Sunny day and 4 huge military cargo aircraft come from east circle and head south then weather came from south west and windy that night. Anyways what ever happened the playa gets less comfortable when it's wet and cool.

Do you mean caustic as in the dictionaty definition of caustic? That is, the mud on the playa turns corrosive when mixed with water?

Yes — the lake beds in the west are generally covered in alkali dust. Add water and you get a caustic basic mud slurry.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Thanks for the actual updates and photos. I’m curious: What’s your internet access setup there?

Starlink primarily. There is no cell service out there.

You can get a few bars of T-Mobile from the right spot, at least last time I was there.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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this definitely sounds like a headline from the same country that blew 2.3 trillion dollars on a 20 year war in afghanistan to replace the taliban with the taliban, and yet somehow their own citizens trapped at a festival are just going to have to conserve food and water until things get better because nothing can be done. Americans posting in the comments will do backflips to insist this is the best way things are s…

Under the “principles of burning man” (which are largely not known or ignored by a sizable portion of of attendees in 2023), you should be prepared for this sort of event with enough extra food and water to wait it out. And I think a large fraction of the attendees are. If this was the camp I used to run with, the collective response to this would be to view it as an annoyance, but not life threatening - everyone was on top of their shit and had enough food, water, and shelter to last out something like this. And in fact, people would give you shit if you came around asking for help saying that you didn’t expect rain like this. You’re very explicitly told when buying a ticket that shit like this can happen and you should be prepared to deal with it yourself.

Whether this turns into something requiring external help or evacuation depends on what portion of the attendees really are on top of their shit in 2023.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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this definitely sounds like a headline from the same country that blew 2.3 trillion dollars on a 20 year war in afghanistan to replace the taliban with the taliban, and yet somehow their own citizens trapped at a festival are just going to have to conserve food and water until things get better because nothing can be done. Americans posting in the comments will do backflips to insist this is the best way things are s…

Why should a nation state concern itself with helping some rich people at a festival who have been inconvenienced by a little rain and mud? They have 12 miles to the nearest town and 100 miles to the nearest big city. The festival literally has its own airport but it has been flooded. I suggest they call for helicopters. Many of them probably have their own.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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this definitely sounds like a headline from the same country that blew 2.3 trillion dollars on a 20 year war in afghanistan to replace the taliban with the taliban, and yet somehow their own citizens trapped at a festival are just going to have to conserve food and water until things get better because nothing can be done. Americans posting in the comments will do backflips to insist this is the best way things are s…

1. Burning Man is in Nevada

2. Technically it's not even in Nevada, it's in the Pyramid Lake Paiute Indian Reservation

3. Kind of the entire point of Burning Man is that you are raising a city out of nothing and breaking it down again within the span of a couple weeks against all odds and in one of the least hospitable places on the planet. This is by design. As a participant you are given ample information and time to plan for such eventualities, they are not necessarily predictable but you definitely can and should be prepared for the worst out there. To be blunt, this is what they signed up for. It's a prepper-lite ("radical self-reliance" is one of the founding principles) kind of event. I say this as someone who really enjoyed my time there in past years -- everyone is welcome to attend if they feel up for it, but they are also expected to know what they're getting into and to carry their own weight if things get bad. Not that they will be left to die, as "civic responsibility" is another of the principles embodied by the population of Black Rock City for its duration.

Protip for interested readers: anyone calling Burning Man a "festival" outs themselves as having absolutely no idea what they're talking about and are perpetuating the kinds of narratives that contribute to the flippant and commercialized miasma that has settled around the event over the past years.

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