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Paul Graham has lost the plot

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Re: Paul Graham has lost the plot

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The author, and the content industry in general, are misunderstanding basic economics:

Just because there is a cost to produce something does not mean that it has market value.

pg was right in pointing out that the content industry is built on the economics of scarcity, and that this scarcity no longer exists. You could charge someone to see a movie in a theatre when doing so was the only way to see the movie. You could charge for an album when doing so was the only way to hear music on your terms.

That is no longer the case. Scarcity, as far as arrangements of bits is concerned, is over. Period. You can complain about it, you can legislate about it, you can gnash your teeth and prostrate yourself and offer blood sacrifices to your preferred god, but nothing will change this basic fact. If the content industry wishes to persist in this new reality, it will have to adapt to it. That means a business model that is not based on the economics of scarcity.

That does not mean, as the author seems to believe and the content industry threatens, that there will be no money to pay for new content. It means the economic model will have to shift away from one of necessity, to one of value-add.

There is no shortage of cleaning labour. Anyone can pick up a feather duster and go to town. Yet, we have professional cleaners. Why? Because there is an opportunity cost to cleaning. An hour you spend cleaning is an hour that you can't spend doing something else. Too, there is value-add. Perhaps the professional cleans better than you do. Perhaps they clean faster, or clean when you're not home. There is convenience and status involved in having someone clean for you.

All of this adds value to cleaning labour, making it so people can charge for it. Similarly, the content industry can focus on modes of distribution which add value to the content, which is not scarce. The content industry currently pretends it is in the mining business, with large upfront costs to extract a valuable and rare resource then bring it to market. It isn't. It's in the bottled water business. Water's everywhere, and it's free. Yet people buy it bottled. They pay for the convenience, and perhaps they pay for the perceived quality as well.

Just as the water bottlers cannot stop people from getting water for free, so too can the content industry not stop free content. They can only offer it in a better, more convenient form.

Amazon does this incredibly well. I used to download ebook torrents, and read them on my laptop. It sucked, and I stopped. Then I got my Kindle, and started again. It still sucked. The formatting was wrong, it was inconvenient, and the metadata was filled with crap from the rippers that meant it would never sort properly. So I bought an ebook from Amazon.

It was amazing. I got the book I wanted, instantly, in a fantastic format, for cheap. It was a better service than bittorrent, and I paid for it. Gladly. Now, I get all my ebooks this way and I wouldn't think of going back. Certainly, the publishers are pissed at Amazon, but that's because Amazon is rendering them obsolete. So too are studios pissed at Netflix. What they fail to grasp is that Netflix is not the problem, they're just a company that adapted where the studios have not.

There's no going back. The content industry can stamp its feet and huff and puff and sulk all they want, but the genie's out of the bottle.

Time to adapt or die.

Re: Paul Graham has lost the plot

#82

I'll just cherry pick this gem here: "What would happen if creators couldn’t charge for their creations? The same as if you couldn’t charge for lines of computer code: there’d be less of it." Spotted the massive, gaping flaw in the argument yet? It's 2012, if you make this argument then I am done with you. Linux is how old? How much of the internet runs on it? Done. Edit: Wow, really? Why is this still a necessary ar…

Reading the article now (15 minutes later), the objections seem to be addressed in the next sentence. Was the essay edited after publication because of InclinedPlane's comment? If so, I wish writers wouldn't make "phantom edits" that add or remove substantial content, as it makes it difficult to engage with their writing.

Re: Paul Graham has lost the plot

#83
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Site on the internet is something like a live performance. You can't have copies of it because of its transient nature. Sometimes you do have a bootleg but your mileage may vary still.

I mean the code. The argument was “there would be less code if you didn't have the right to own code”, and I'm saying that although the internet runs on open source software, the vast majority of popular internet sites run closed-source software.

On top on an infrastructue of open source software.

Re: Paul Graham has lost the plot

#84
Are we forgetting the difference between free as in freedom and free as in $0? Isn't that what open source is all about.

I would never make the argument that musicians shouldn't get payed and payed well for their work, but for the copyright holders to dictate how, where, and under what circumstances I listen to music that I've payed is the problem with copyright law.

I should have to pay for music. I shouldn't have to pay for the same song four different ways so I can listen to it in my car, on my Ipod, computer, and home stereo.

The problem is the distribution companies. When artists wise up and realize they don't need record labels or movie studios anymore, we'll all be paying for DRM free content - and the artists will get rich.

This is why we have lobbyists for these big companies trying to avoid extinction.

Re: Paul Graham has lost the plot

#85

I'll just cherry pick this gem here: "What would happen if creators couldn’t charge for their creations? The same as if you couldn’t charge for lines of computer code: there’d be less of it." Spotted the massive, gaping flaw in the argument yet? It's 2012, if you make this argument then I am done with you. Linux is how old? How much of the internet runs on it? Done. Edit: Wow, really? Why is this still a necessary ar…

Naming an example (Linux) doesn't contradict "there's be less of it".

Re: Paul Graham has lost the plot

#86

Why does YCombinator deserve equity (value) from successes of the YC program, these are internet companies, aren't msot of the company's benefits intangible "smells" much like music? Wait. Let me guess... because they invested, so they deserve to profit right? So somebody please explain to me why the media industries are different. If anybody thinks music is free please go price out studio time before replying.

$400 dollars for a full day of recording (http://www.inthejarstudios.com/rates.htm).

I have to pay for my own woodworking tools and computers, but I don't expect people to subsidize me in my hobby. And if I decided to go pro--which in the case of computers I have--I would make sure I only make things the market wants, and not take on shitty contracts signing away future sale equity until some vaguely defined point in the future.

Re: Paul Graham has lost the plot

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post #9

"The distribution might be virtually free, but the production certainly isn’t." Well, all of the music available on iTunes, Amazon, and the Pirate Bay has already been produced, it just needs to be distributed. If I want to pay for music to be produced , I use Kickstarter. (Or go to concerts, since playing a song live could be considered a new production) It's a historical accident that we use charging for distributi…

My guess is that distribution is virtually free, productions is inexpensive, marketing can be very expensive.

Re: Paul Graham has lost the plot

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I'll just cherry pick this gem here: "What would happen if creators couldn’t charge for their creations? The same as if you couldn’t charge for lines of computer code: there’d be less of it." Spotted the massive, gaping flaw in the argument yet? It's 2012, if you make this argument then I am done with you. Linux is how old? How much of the internet runs on it? Done. Edit: Wow, really? Why is this still a necessary ar…

couldn't charge for their creations but of course people do charge for open-source code to be made. IBM, RedHat, the US National Security Agency, Canonical, DARPA, Google, etc. all pay for open source code to be written. If the programmers weren't allowed to charge for their code, a lot less code would be written.

Re: Paul Graham has lost the plot

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux is subsidized by large players who need an open platform on which to provide other services. This includes companies like Google who provide advertising based upon things that run on linux and companies like IBM who sell proprietary software that runs on Linux and support contracts for those products. There are very few viable, large-scale open source projects that are run on developer free time alone.

Tell that to the GCC folks, GIMP developers, Blender developers, Tremulous developers, Firefox developers, Mono developers, Rails developers, Python developers... (we all know GTK is a labor of love, 'cause you couldn't expect people to pay for it.)

Can you prove that those projects wouldn't be healthier if people were happy to pay money for them?

Re: Paul Graham has lost the plot

#90
post #14

I disagree with the point of the blog post. While it doesn't make sense that we people would charge for air pipes to be dragged to earth from the moon in order to use the smells produced (because of legislation), it is perfectly analogous to what the RIAA and MPAA do when they try to influence legislation to stop pirating. Instead of targeting the root cause of the problem (cost and quality), they chose to legislate…

Piracy is abuse of open networks and speech right. I don't want a government sufficiently powerful (per the RIAA) to stop it, such powers would would themselves be a serious danger to society.

I suppose that amounts to a freedom to piracy. But that doesn't mean piracy is somehow right, or even intended. It's an injustice, of individuals, persisting in the space needed to maintain a free society.

Nor am I much impressed by the argument that with so many people pirating, it must actually be moral. Probably most of them think it's moral, given that they take their norms from the people around them. And the offenses are largely minor. But I think the steps from principle to copyright are pretty clear, and I don't see how anyone concludes that it's actually right.

It's like littering: no one actually thinks it's okay, but they do it because it's convenient, they won't get caught and it isn't a big deal. The consequences of those calculations are obvious.

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