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Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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Post by BoorishBears »

unboxingelf wrote: post #93
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #87

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How is this any different from sending an event from an account you authenticated from (like an e-mail, or a Twitter account)?

It removes trusting a 3rd party.

That's not a value proposition.

The only trust a 3rd party like Twitter demands in your example is that I trust they won't impersonate my account with a message (since there's no private/public key proof)

But your system doesn't address that either. After all, what's stopping _anyone_ from just saying they're me and sending out messages?

Like 99% of decentralized usecases, this still falls down to trying to cheat the oracle problem. I actually trust Facebook and Twitter more in this situation because they can at least demand verification in the real world, they've got enough social capital that they can overcome the oracle problem in limited contexts.

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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Post by acdha »

rendx wrote: post #91
JAlexoid wrote: post #72

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How is trusting a third party to deliver you the authentic public keys isn't "trusting a third party"?

For any signed message, there is only ONE public key that could have generated that signature. You either know that key, or you don't. The network can either deliver or help you discover the key, or not. That's way different from trusting a third party to not lie to you about authenticity or the source of the message.

How does that work in the context of the whole system where I need to link a key pair to a person? If I know you in real life we can check key fingerprints or something (GPG suggests statistically nobody will) but otherwise I have to trust a third-party who says that the Bob I want to talk to has keys X, Y, and Z.

If you don’t do that, as soon as it becomes popular enough to attract scammers you’re going to have Mallory publishing keys with Bob’s name on them and a million random people who have incredible financial opportunities for you. Most of the decentralized systems shift that problem to another system like email or DNS, Facebook/Twitter/GitHub/etc. at which point it’s worth asking whether there’s still value in decentralization at that point.

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

#104

Post by kaliqt »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #32
evbogue wrote: post #15

I tried Nostr for awhile, and I appreciate that they're picking up where Scuttlebot left off. There are a few things that bug me about it that I wish they'd fix, or that some future protocol will solve. First, I want a replication strategy. Nostr messages get lost in time, and many of the clients end up just blasting an entire message history at your client. Because there's no clue in the protocol how messages are re…

IPFS is so heavy and unperformant, just not a lot of bang for your buck when paying for a host. As far as I can tell it owes its success to VC funded blockchain startups subsidizing hosts with 8:1 payouts for hosting other peoples' stuff I'm betting on webtorrent paired with seedboxes - your peer just has to serve whatever mp3/mp4 you're hosting to the first few clients, and as long as their browser windows are open…

Would be nice to see a well secure alternative to torrent and IPFS so we can just settle and use it. Ideally encrypted and anonymous optionally too.

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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Post by genewitch »

kaliqt wrote: post #104
jazzyjackson wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IPFS is so heavy and unperformant, just not a lot of bang for your buck when paying for a host. As far as I can tell it owes its success to VC funded blockchain startups subsidizing hosts with 8:1 payouts for hosting other peoples' stuff I'm betting on webtorrent paired with seedboxes - your peer just has to serve whatever mp3/mp4 you're hosting to the first few clients, and as long as their browser windows are open…

Would be nice to see a well secure alternative to torrent and IPFS so we can just settle and use it. Ideally encrypted and anonymous optionally too.

I like the idea of anonymity, and have done implementations of anonymous services - ones that are public and live now. I wouldn't do it for money unless i was somehow indemnified against fault and damages. In my measured opinion, it is too risky to allow unfettered anonymous uploads, even strictly financially.

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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Post by kdragon »

evbogue wrote: post #76
supertestnet wrote: post #74

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> if someone Zaps me right now, I haven't specified a place for those Zaps to go then you can't be zapped you can only be zapped if your profile has a tag in it that tells people where to send your zaps to without that, a zap button shouldn't show up, and if it does show up, it shouldn't do anything

Ok, this makes sense. I must have been using a client that had 'Zap' icons and because I didn't have a Zap balance I just assumed the buttons didn't work because I had no balance. I didn't realize every single person who downloads a zap-supporting client had to also set up a separate app to handle the micro-transactions and host that app somewhere where it is available 24/7 in case their post gets zapped.

it's not that big a deal if you use a hosted wallet. There's quite a few options out there, like stacker.news or wallet of satoshi.

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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Post by entropie »

satvikpendem wrote: post #88
jb55 wrote: post #33

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Hey, author of https://damus.io here (ios twitter-like nostr client) > First, I want a replication strategy. Nostr messages get lost in time, and many of the clients end up just blasting an entire message history at your client. Because there's no clue in the protocol how messages are related other than a timestamp this also means you can fake timestamps and write fake messages in the future or back in time You can d…

> Hey, author of https://damus.io here (ios twitter-like nostr client) Haha, like Nostradamus, very clever name!

missed the opportunity to nostra.damu.us ?

That remembers me off project.ioni.st and now iam sad.

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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Post by kdragon »

evbogue wrote: post #47
drexlspivey wrote: post #24

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> First, I want a replication strategy. Nostr messages get lost in time, and many of the clients end up just blasting an entire message history at your client. Because there's no clue in the protocol how messages are related other than a timestamp this also means you can fake timestamps and write fake messages in the future or back in time. This doesn't have to be an append-only log, but you need some idea of message…

> nostr is stateless it’s just a streaming protocol for messages I've brainstormed ways to solve this on top of Nostr. Perhaps I could write a program that downloads all of the history of Nostr (or perhaps just the users I'm interested in?) and then my server would sign when I received the messages and create order out of that. Then if I get a message that claims to be from the past at some point in the future, I'd i…

nostr has an early NIP that talks about publishing timestamp commitments to the bitcoin blockchain, using the open timestamp protocol

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

#109

Post by causality0 »

People are increasingly aware of the value of free speech and dangers of letting any centralized platform decide what is and is not acceptable to say

I wish, but I think this is completely wrong. Support for freedom of speech is at an all-time low and continues to drop. Frankly if it didn't already exist I don't think you could even get the postal service off the ground these days, with its completely uncensored communication.

Re: Why I’m betting on Nostr

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Post by wmf »

causality0 wrote: post #109

People are increasingly aware of the value of free speech and dangers of letting any centralized platform decide what is and is not acceptable to say I wish, but I think this is completely wrong. Support for freedom of speech is at an all-time low and continues to drop. Frankly if it didn't already exist I don't think you could even get the postal service off the ground these days, with its completely uncensored comm…

He's clearly talking about... certain people.
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