Has nobody put MS Service agreement into ChatGPT and asked for an answer?
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they are legally obliged to do for their shareholders Isn't that an "old wives tale" that doesn't have any basis in reality?
For US companies registered in Delaware (which is most of them), the doctrine of shareholders primacy holds. Shareholders can and have sued corporate boards/execs for not acting in their best interest. It goes back to the 1910s when Henry Ford very loudly and explicitly announced he was cutting shareholder dividends to pay workers the famous $5/day wage (double what any other factory workers were paid), and minority…
> For US companies registered in Delaware (which is most of them), the doctrine of shareholders primacy holds. Shareholders can and have sued corporate boards/execs for not acting in their best interest. It goes back to the 1910s when Henry Ford very loudly and explicitly announced he was cutting shareholder dividends to pay workers the famous $5/day wage (double what any other factory workers were paid), and minority shareholders sued and won.
That's because he had the explicit goal of starving out the Dodge brothers who owned a competing automotive manufacturer. If it was just about the pay of employees the suit likely would have failed. You cannot prejudice minority shareholders even if they own competing companies.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or pass the rules that state that if there is no expectation that a layman could understand it, you can't enforce a contract against them.
I think the the 10th amendment, would be a better template to start with.
Im not sure what you mean.
I wasn't stating that it had to be a federal law.
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#154Of course they are, why do you think ms office practically begs you to save your documents on onedrive?? The save to onedrive is by default!!
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#156Time to cancel my subscription to Microsoft’s online products. Never buying another Windows machine again. Apple or Linux only from here in out. Apple’s software and/or LibreOffice are more than enough.
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#157How does M$'s legal team accomplish such a feat? Are there layers of linguistic abstraction built up such that only a sufficiently large team (Microsoft, grand jury) has the bandwidth to extract any meaning? Red herrings with gotchas hidden in seemingly innocuous places? Do they just talk in circles and never give an exact answer?
What is M$?
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think personal action can still make a difference. What if we were to develop a coalition of people that believed in that, sort of like a union for a healthy society? The coalition would have a common set of standards and ethics, which would include the development of more community-based standards for technology. With such a coalition, we could create our own technology not in the hands of technology companies, an…
Go on, attempt to form that coalition.... And the next thing you know you'll be on every major news network as a "Communist anti-technology union group looking to hold the US back" The US has a brutal history of stamping out unions, do you think you're just going to form this group unopposed without massive amounts of money and resistance looking to stamp out your very existence?
> The US has a brutal history of stamping out unions, do you think you're just going to form this group unopposed without massive amounts of money and resistance looking to stamp out your very existence?
I wonder how they are going to do that? I have to admit, your statement scares me less than anything I have ever heard...
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#159> Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?
According to Microsoft: "Your privacy is very important for us". So the answer is yes.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
> These are trillion-dollar powered for-profit entities, with armies of lawyers and lobbyists that can intimidate medium sized countries. They will exploit every weakness of incompetent, confused and captured regulatory/political systems. I don't think the need to exploit opportunities is exclusive to major corporations. We see this behavior and power grabs even in petty quarrels in small amateur organizations such a…
> I don't think the need to exploit opportunities is exclusive to major corporations we are not talking about small, medium or large corporations. we are talking about two entities that effectively control the entire fabric of digital society and the economy. and from which there is increasingly no opt-out. there was never so much concentration. never. > Their leadership is driven to exploit the tools at their reach…
> we are not talking about small, medium or large corporations.
Doesn't matter. The point is that there is no threshold in a company's revenue where they start to exploit all tools and opportunities at their reach. Large corporations aren't any more inherently evil than your local gas pump or convenience store.
> Corporate management gets approved their remuneration from shareholders. If they don't deliver they get the boot.
That's not what happens in real life. There is far more to the CEO-Board-shareholders relationship than simplistic "they can give him the boot" take.