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Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by pandaman »

jjj123 wrote: post #69
pandaman wrote: post #66

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This is a claim from one of the militant urbanist YouTube channels. The method used to establish that was using a microphone next to a road. The issue is that people don't care about the noise on the street nearly as much as they do about the noise inside their dwelling. And car noise doesn't make it inside the houses while people noise does, and, with the dense housing, often originated in the same building. And a m…

“And car noise doesn't make it inside the houses” Oh really? I’m sitting inside my apartment listening to car noise right now. Our apartment sits away from the street too, probably 150ft away.

I am sitting in my house 100 feet away from a 4 lane divided street and don't hear a thing.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by gaadd33 »

kanbara wrote: post #53
chronic73910 wrote: post #16

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> This is a major reason that people pay for premium lounge access, it is not the food, nor the booze but the quiet that is the true luxury. Not true for middle-class lounges such as Centurion, Priority Pass, and most airline lounges (Polaris, Flagship, Senator, Singapore, etc). Most go for food or drinks. The lounges are often crowded and loud with silverware, plates, kids, and TVs. For elite lounges such as the Pri…

lufthansa elite? MUC/FRA was pretty mid. Polaris SFO was amazing

The Lufthansa first class lounges/terminal were mid compared to United's business class lounge? I could understand that if you are in the Lufthansa Senator lounges, those are the business class and star alliance lounges.

What made the United's business class lounge better than something like the first class terminal at FRA and directly being dropped off at your plane?

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by chronic73910 »

kanbara wrote: post #53
chronic73910 wrote: post #16

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> This is a major reason that people pay for premium lounge access, it is not the food, nor the booze but the quiet that is the true luxury. Not true for middle-class lounges such as Centurion, Priority Pass, and most airline lounges (Polaris, Flagship, Senator, Singapore, etc). Most go for food or drinks. The lounges are often crowded and loud with silverware, plates, kids, and TVs. For elite lounges such as the Pri…

lufthansa elite? MUC/FRA was pretty mid. Polaris SFO was amazing

> lufthansa elite? MUC/FRA was pretty mid. Polaris SFO was amazing

I’m not talking about Lufthansa’s Senator or business class lounges that anyone with Star Alliance Gold can access. Those are at the level of Delta Sky Clubs or the new 2023 United Clubs.

I’m talking about an entire private terminal with chauffeur service to the plane.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by extra88 »

pandaman wrote: post #71
jjj123 wrote: post #69

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“And car noise doesn't make it inside the houses” Oh really? I’m sitting inside my apartment listening to car noise right now. Our apartment sits away from the street too, probably 150ft away.

I am sitting in my house 100 feet away from a 4 lane divided street and don't hear a thing.

I'm in the back of my home, on a 4-lane divided city street and with the window facing back open just a crack, I can easily hear the traffic.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by extra88 »

jen20 wrote: post #65
pseudo0 wrote: post #54

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Road noise is mostly white noise when indoors, and reduced to nearly inaudible by good windows. The really disruptive noise is caused by increased density - the apartment above with a subwoofer or an exercise routine that involves dropping weights, kids running up and down the hall shrieking, stuff like that. Landlords are supposed to address issues like that, but getting them to handle noise issues can be very frust…

This isn’t really a problem in modern buildings built from concrete to condo specs. It just happens that most dense US cities have much older buildings, or that people put up with low quality buildings built to rental specs because landlords are allowed to get away with it.

Concrete can be isolating between floors but it's common even for "luxury" construction to cheap out on build materials in walls, allowing way too much sound between units and between units and common hallways.

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Post by euroderf »

ehnto wrote: post #49
Terr_ wrote: post #3

This kind of thing is related to Alarm Fatigue [0] and also has implications for designing software notifications and dialogs. More is not always better when it comes to warnings, and is often worse . [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alarm_fatigue

I managed a product that was producing nearly a million exceptions every week. The developer considered almost every circumstance to be an exception. Username and password wrong? Exception. Form field not validated? Exception! Request timeout, ah! Whatever will we do! Exception! There were even some exceptions for things that went well. But you can imagine, if everything is exceptional, real issues don't stand out an…

It's a rule of software development management:

If everything is a priority... then nothing is a priority.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by cassianoleal »

extra88 wrote: post #74
pandaman wrote: post #71

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I am sitting in my house 100 feet away from a 4 lane divided street and don't hear a thing.

I'm in the back of my home, on a 4-lane divided city street and with the window facing back open just a crack, I can easily hear the traffic.

I live on a corner of 2 double-track, relatively busy streets. 5th floor. Right now traffic is pretty low, no horns honking, no douchebags with loud mufflers, no sirens.

Window open, about 4m away from it at my desk, noise level is 45-55dB.

Window closed, 25-27dB.

Almost all of it is car noise.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by pandaman »

extra88 wrote: post #74
pandaman wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sitting in my house 100 feet away from a 4 lane divided street and don't hear a thing.

I'm in the back of my home, on a 4-lane divided city street and with the window facing back open just a crack, I can easily hear the traffic.

>with the window facing back open just a crack

That's your problem right there. I figure if I opened the window on the opposite side of the house and there were no wind, birds and insects I could easily hear traffic too. The difference between this and having people behind your wall, floor and ceiling is that you can close the window whenever you want. You cannot do much with the neighbors.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by pandaman »

cassianoleal wrote: post #77
extra88 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the back of my home, on a 4-lane divided city street and with the window facing back open just a crack, I can easily hear the traffic.

I live on a corner of 2 double-track, relatively busy streets. 5th floor. Right now traffic is pretty low, no horns honking, no douchebags with loud mufflers, no sirens. Window open, about 4m away from it at my desk, noise level is 45-55dB. Window closed, 25-27dB. Almost all of it is car noise.

5th floor? Sounds like you already live in high density housing.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

StockHuman wrote: post #56
ShadowBanThis01 wrote: post #46

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“Stroad” is the urbanism aficionado portmanteau of street and road; a common feature in North American urban and suburban design where the speeds, (lack of) curves and lane-count of roads are combined with the traffic lights and access to businesses and homes of streets (and all their attendant car infrastructure).

Exactly, which is why I reject it as douchey, judgmental bullshit. We have terms for each type of thoroughfare in English already; they're seen on street signs and maps all over the USA.
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