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Social media decline: Users are shifting to messaging apps and group chats

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Re: Social media decline: Users are shifting to messaging apps and group chats

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Best definition of "content" I ever heard: https://youtu.be/kHe4wwF9O6Q?t=149 "content is a commodity that fills social media feeds so we can be sold as a collection of preferences [...] attention but not understanding, engagement but not exploration" Every time I hear "content creator" I perceive it as Styrofoam. Filler used to convey a product.

A good chunk of the use of the word "creator" is the lack of a word to capture the work of someone who uses multiple platforms to distribute their work. Someone can be simply a YouTuber, but if they also do Twitch streams, they have no choice but to be a "content creator". If they're primarily one or another, they can call themselves a YouTuber or a Twitch streamer, but not if they do both. If you add Substack, Twitter, podcasting, and TikTok into the mix (often with significant cross-posting), you really don't have a word except for "creator". And what captures all the things you're creating - "media" or "content" or something equally nebulous.

No doubt a lot of it is filler. But a lot of it isn't. I spent last night learning a bunch of cooking techniques on YouTube. Quite valuable for me!

Re: Social media decline: Users are shifting to messaging apps and group chats

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"Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths in subculture evolution" (2015)

[A]s soon as subcultures start getting really interesting, they get invaded by muggles, who ruin them. Subcultures have a predictable lifecycle, in which popularity causes death. Eventually—around 2000—everyone understood this, and gave up hoping some subculture could somehow escape this dynamic.... The muggles who invade and ruin subcultures come in two distinct flavors, mops and sociopaths, playing very different roles. This insight was influenced by Venkatesh Rao’s Gervais Principle,[1] an analysis of workplace dynamics. Rao’s theory is hideous, insightful nihilism; I recommend it.... The sociopaths ... work out how to monetize mops—which the fanatics were never good at. With better publicity materials, the addition of a light show, and new, more crowd-friendly product, admission fees go up tenfold, and mops are willing to pay.

https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths>

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Notes:

1. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00F9IV64W/?tag=meaningness-20>

Re: Social media decline: Users are shifting to messaging apps and group chats

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> no one is posting on social media anymore "Nobody comes here anymore, its too crowded".

I feel this misses just one adjective: "nobody interesting comes here anymore, it's too crowded". A similar feeling I get from overtouristed places, initially they are interesting because of some attraction: the nightlife, the art scene, the food scene, or any combination of these (and other factors I'm too lazy to list) with some quirkiness that attracts people who are interested in the twist. Over time it becomes a…

As I've just posted top-level, "Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths in subculture evolution" (2015) captures this sense quite well.

https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths>

Re: Social media decline: Users are shifting to messaging apps and group chats

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post #49

An online community should feel like an online pub. It should have a vibe, some regulars, inside jokes, and a decorum that is somewhat well enforced. They're cosy places where a sense of belonging encourages participation and good behaviour. HN is like that. Small subreddits are like that. Group chats are like that. But now every social media website became like that one pedestrian street with the H&M and the McDonal…

like usenet.

Re: Social media decline: Users are shifting to messaging apps and group chats

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post #361
post #184

Best definition of "content" I ever heard: https://youtu.be/kHe4wwF9O6Q?t=149 "content is a commodity that fills social media feeds so we can be sold as a collection of preferences [...] attention but not understanding, engagement but not exploration" Every time I hear "content creator" I perceive it as Styrofoam. Filler used to convey a product.

A good chunk of the use of the word "creator" is the lack of a word to capture the work of someone who uses multiple platforms to distribute their work. Someone can be simply a YouTuber, but if they also do Twitch streams, they have no choice but to be a "content creator". If they're primarily one or another, they can call themselves a YouTuber or a Twitch streamer, but not if they do both. If you add Substack, Twitt…

There's a wide gap between the DIY enthusiast channel showing you how to repair your home and the average youtuber just in for the money.

Re: Social media decline: Users are shifting to messaging apps and group chats

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post #215

My Facebook feed is about 40% sponsored posts, 30% suggested posts, 30% group posts (usually from very large groups), and then maybe 1% actual friends (and it’s usually just something that they’ve shared or commented on, almost never actual content). If we could go back to the days when 80% of the stuff you see is from friends with the remaining being ads, I would happily use FB more frequently and I’m sure most of m…

People are also probably way more active in middle or high school as well and age out. Without the fodder ad content filling the feed, you’d probably only need to check facebook once every two months to be current, maybe even with less frequency.

To be contrary; It seems like many of the posts on facebook / twitter (that aren't marketing / influencers) are people without social outlets; People join for nextdoor style posts or untactful political posts, or to be heard.

In one of my community groups; it's 90% business, but then someone decides to post an unrelated meme or political message (neither allowed by group rules) as if they don't have any actual friends to share that to.

Re: Social media decline: Users are shifting to messaging apps and group chats

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post #107

They went full circle and now they are back to passive TV zapping , but now it's called doomscrolling on tiktok and watching mr beast It wasn't good while it lasted, in fact in retrospect we will see it was one of the most insane, narcissistic periods of modernity. good riddance I really hope people re-re-discover forums

> I really hope people re-re-discover forums

Please come true!

Re: Social media decline: Users are shifting to messaging apps and group chats

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post #173
post #49

An online community should feel like an online pub. It should have a vibe, some regulars, inside jokes, and a decorum that is somewhat well enforced. They're cosy places where a sense of belonging encourages participation and good behaviour. HN is like that. Small subreddits are like that. Group chats are like that. But now every social media website became like that one pedestrian street with the H&M and the McDonal…

> An online community should feel like an online pub. It should have a vibe, some regulars, inside jokes, and a decorum that is somewhat well enforced. They're cosy places where a sense of belonging encourages participation and good behaviour. > HN is like that. HN is the only place that is not a pub: jokes are frowned upon, and even moderated out. Post Valuable Content, or GTFO. You can joke and feel belonging liter…

On HN jokes are possible, but they've got to be quite good, and are typically best included as seasoning to a comment rather than as freestanding comments of their own. I've done this myself, notably in my Pompeii comment of a few years ago, which was well-received (better than most of my efforts):

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22133112>

Dang's written on this many times, typical:

Personally, when I read Reddit, I'm in awe of how good the best jokes are. The problem is that you can't have everything; with a culture of humor comes a flood of lame humor. HN's tradeoff is to optimize for signal-noise ratio, so that stuff gets hammered particularly hard.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7696013>

People complain about HN's humorlessness, and they're right to a point. The trouble is that with a culture of humor comes a flood of lame humor, and HN wants to optimize for signal/noise ratio. It's not that we're killjoys—we like jokes and laughing—it's that the signal/noise problem is hard.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7503356>

He's specifically pointed to a take of scott_s from 2009 several times:

people usually over-estimate how funny their own comments are

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7609289>

Re: Social media decline: Users are shifting to messaging apps and group chats

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The library, the café or the debate club maybe. The café was the first pub-like place where people did mostly not drink alcohol. Reportedly, it was an inportant place for the enlightenment period of history. Let's not oversell HN here, though...

Central European cafes sell spirits, too. A cognac makes a fine accompaniment to a coffee. It is foreign franchise coffee places like Starbucks don't sell alcohol at all, and that is a major part of why they feel so foreign.

They do, but the general atmosphere is far less boozy anyway.

Some years ago, a friend introduced me to caffè corretto - espresso with grappa. Pretty good stuff, too.

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