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Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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I'm old enough to remember my home phone number beginning NIagara-8 when I was a latch-key kid in !970's Kansas City.

We had "RH" - but it's not in the AT&T list that the article points to, and it has no obvious georeferent. RHode island was the wrong state, RHodesia was suboptimal, and RHombus was non-geographical and too esoteric. RHinovirus perhaps.

"RH" is surprising - you'd want words that people would spell correctly, and PI/RI/SI/PH/SH seem easier to work with if you're trying to get 74.

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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There was a timeout. If you had touch tone it was faster to dial the whole thing because then the call would connect straight away.

Worth it on rotary phones though. Those were so slow to dial, especially if someone had a lot of high digits in their number.

We didn't have tone dialing until after we had the internet because my dad was cheap and didn't want to pay the fee for tone dialing (vs pulse)

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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Parent might be British - POTS is still widely available here, although not terribly popular. It's about as expensive to get a POTS line as three unlimited-calls 4G SIM cards, unless you combine calls with your broadband and can save money on the line rental.

Isn't POTS being shut down in the UK in 2 years from now? https://www.ebcgroup.co.uk/news-insights/all-of-your-questio...

Yikes, thanks for the warning. It's a great idea on a technical basis, but I really hope they don't make this an excuse to get rid of the last telephone boxes (which after this change should be free for local calls anyway, considering how cheap VoIP is).

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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People are mentioning this was on the Simpsons, but I remember my mom telling me this was how they used to name phone numbers when she was a kid and she wasn't even born until 1961. Lester Freeman in The Wire from 2003ish was still calling the prefix of a phone number the "exchange," even when talking about cellular service.

Born in 1961 and these articles don't touch on one thing that I remember when I was a kid: you only needed 5 numbers to dial if you were calling someone else in the same thing. This was the case at my grandparents in Bay City, Michigan in the late 1960s. My cousin's number was LIncoln 2-9729 I have never understood how that worked despite my father working for the phone company. Dad explained a lot of things, but tha…

I'm from the UK, but IIRC I think the US phone numbers originally used the 2nd digit to discriminate whether the first 3 digits were a local (7 digits) or national (10 digits).

Not sure where your 5 digit example fits into that though, that'd suggest there was actually 3 levels of discriminators originally. It's certainly plausible when there were relatively few numbers used, with the push to 7 and 10 digits only when the number space was getting fuller so that those prefixes could be reused.

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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The article seems to imply that in the US the names were arbitrary and just served as mnemonics? In France it worked in the same way, but the names referred to actual places: either the name of the town when it was small enough, or a district / neighborhood for larger cities. So your number would be "Trocadéro-12-45" or "Lourmel-78-98" for instance; and, starting in 1928, you could dial it in directly on your phone w…

> My grandmother was extremely proud that her father had a very low number

So, Slashdot cred is not a new thing :-)

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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There's good documentation on the UK version of this on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_telephone_numbers_i...

Two letters and a number formed the basis for UK numbers within the bigger cities, and later 0 + two letters + number for national dialing codes when they were introduced later.

So, the big cities (when I was a kid, these were 01 London, 021 Birmingham, 031 Edinburgh, 041 Glasgow, 051 Liverpool, 061 Manchester, so again using the letters) had the local part with local exchange 2 letters + number and a 4 digit number within that local exchange.

Smaller towns and cities had the longer codes (0ABx), again using letters - e.g. the old Coventry code was 0CO3, Bolton 0BO4 etc, and 5 (and later 6) digits for the local part.

At one point when I was still quite young, I lived in a very small village with phone number 205, and the public phone box was 200 - I think the numbers got as high as 230! In addition to the full STD codes, the neighbouring phone exchanges had 1 or 2 digit prefixes so you could call them almost like local numbers. Our village was similar, from the main town you used a 2 digit prefix, and our STD code was the main town's STD code plus that prefix. My dad told me that before the national STD codes were introduced, if you wanted to call another town you either had to call the operator and ask them to connect you, or you had to chain all these access codes together to jump from exchange to exchange until you got where you wanted. Apparently that still worked when he told me, but I was too young to know anyone further than the next town, so I never tested it!

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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That also explains why European emergency numbers are often 11X, including 112 which is the universal emergency number in the EU and the GSM standard (so it will work on your mobile phone too). It doesn't explain Britain using 999 or Australia using 000.

Maybe the thinking was that you can easily slip with your finger or mindlessly dial something, then accidentally dialing a 1 or 2 is much more likely than doing the same with 9 or 0 which needs ten times the pulses (and the time) needed for a 1. Having grown up with rotary phones, that would make sense to me.

I believe this was a plot point in one of the original stories about Paddington bear. Something about his fat finger.

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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A reminder that both direct-dial long-distance https://yewtu.be/watch?v=C7YM9Sz9wxo > (1936) and direct-dial calling https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uaQm30DDHL8 > (1951) were once novel technologies which needed to be introduced and taught to the public.

Was television in many homes in 1936? Or even 1951? How were these messages broadcast? For matter of comparison, my country did not get its first television broadcasting station until 1967.

As others have noted, the first of these videos was distributed as a newsreel, playing before feature films in towns as AT&T rolled out direct-dial.

I don't know how the second was distributed, though Wikipedia suggests newsreels continued in mainstream until the late 1960s, which would suggest that the 1951 video also saw newsreel distribution as a primary mechanism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsreel>

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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Even living someplace that has fairly poor cell reception if WiFi assist isn't working for some reason, it's really hard to justify a landline as "backup" for the rare occasions I wished I had it. I got rid of it a few years ago and, while there has been a day or two I wish I had it, hard to make the case. (And, yeah, if you're going to be VOIP anyway, if your internet and/or power is hosed you're probably not in a b…

Wouldn't it be nice if your cellular provider had a SIP gateway for your number as well, and if it rang your phone it would also route to your SIP device? Like, it's already routing calls through the WiFi. Is it really that much harder for them to allow two devices to register for the number and connect the first to answer?

My German mobile phone provider supports that! It's really handy when traveling internationally; I usually receive my calls over SIP without incurring any roaming charges (due to using a local SIM).

In the US, Google Voice allows a conceptually similar thing (but you need to give everybody your Google Voice number or port your "real" number there; then you can forward calls to both a mobile and a SIP number, with both ringing for incoming calls).

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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Most major metro areas in the US no longer support seven digit dialing.

And I love how they call it "10-digit calling" even though it generally requires 11 digits (or 11 button presses on cell).

And even more if you count the taps/swipes to unlock the screen! So people generally don't.
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