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Re: Stop Brogramming

#11

Post by kstenerud »

dfxm12 wrote: post #9
invisible wrote: post #7

Apology from Sqoot: http://blog.sqoot.com/ Seems they were trying to hard and it just backfired. The humor wasn't intended as a negative thing but it's good that they apologize to clear the air of uncertainty.

Exactly. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The social awkwardness of their joke kinda shows the divergent nature of the "brogrammer".

I actually know Avand personally, and his humor is often awkward, as is common in many geeks.

I can see where he was trying to go with the joke (exactly where he said he was trying to go in his equally awkward apology), but once you trip up on a sensitive topic, people immediately arrange themselves to be maximally offended. Once this happens, anything short of a blood sacrifice is insufficient, and woe be to anyone who fails to make a 100% flawless apology!

So for the socially awkward, the result of a failed joke is a bad situation that it's impossible to get out of, because nobody is willing to accept that there exist people who are less than perfect when it comes to the social dance.

Re: Stop Brogramming

#12

Post by angersock »

andrewvc wrote: post #8

This is proof that all you need to get up the front page on HN is a title that matches the current zeitgeist. The article itself is terrible, making mountains out of molehills. I'm someone who'd never even be confused as a brogrammer, but someone explain to me what's negative about this "Drinking beer, lifting weights, picking up women, and kicking out a new JSON parser before dinner. ". That actually sounds like a d…

Hey brah, so, like, lemme break it down for ya.

These bros planned a hella sick party out in Boston. There was going to be hot chicks, they were gonna do Rails and kegstands--it was gonna be the hottest thing since Southby.

(Even the Zuck was checking it out.)

But, like, the ad they payed some hipster to write, like, wasn't bronificial to the party. They didn't underline the amount of dubstep and wubwub, and, like, without the proper flag raised a bunch of those pansy Valley coders got all butthurt.

Like, really, who doesn't want to rep while they REPL? Who doesn't like drinks served by the hottest bitches; what're they, some kind of queerlicopter?

This author, brahly, seems to think, like, maybe they pitched to the wrong audience, you know. Like when we tried to pitch that NattyIce/Pets.com mashup, and the VCs were all like "Are you sure that your target demographic of bros who like light beer and dogs actually exist?" and we were like "Pshhhhaw yeah" and they were like "You'll hear from us--don't call."

Re: Stop Brogramming

#13

Post by LaGrange »

andrewvc wrote: post #8

This is proof that all you need to get up the front page on HN is a title that matches the current zeitgeist. The article itself is terrible, making mountains out of molehills. I'm someone who'd never even be confused as a brogrammer, but someone explain to me what's negative about this "Drinking beer, lifting weights, picking up women, and kicking out a new JSON parser before dinner. ". That actually sounds like a d…

"picking up women"

This is what's wrong with this. I mean, I do know it's a pretty good day for a chauvinistic dude, but that's objectification of women as pleasure devices.

"overly-P.C buzzkill" Aw. Someone ruined making fun of women for you.

Re: Stop Brogramming

#15

Post by ArtB »

LaGrange wrote: post #13
andrewvc wrote: post #8

This is proof that all you need to get up the front page on HN is a title that matches the current zeitgeist. The article itself is terrible, making mountains out of molehills. I'm someone who'd never even be confused as a brogrammer, but someone explain to me what's negative about this "Drinking beer, lifting weights, picking up women, and kicking out a new JSON parser before dinner. ". That actually sounds like a d…

"picking up women" This is what's wrong with this. I mean, I do know it's a pretty good day for a chauvinistic dude, but that's objectification of women as pleasure devices. "overly-P.C buzzkill" Aw. Someone ruined making fun of women for you.

Sorry, but what exactly is sexist about trying to get laid? Not trolling, or sarcastic. It honestly seemed like an event that tried to combine the things that a certain demographic of people like to do into one event. I don't see how different this is from a Sushi buffet-dubstep-LAN event.

If it was a networking conference for high-powered female C*Os and they were advertising that the waiter's were all young buff men I wouldn't get up in arms.

Interesting story: I went for dinner out with a friend (both males) and all the girls (we saw only women waitresses their) were ~20ish and in small black dresses. Our waitress was one of these. However, our food and drinks were brought to us by men that looked like tax accounts. Then we spotted a male waiter, he was serving a table of young women... and he was built (biceps with a diameter of a strip of bacon), tanned, and coifed, but their food was brought but those same tax accounts. That's not sexism, but sex appeal in marketting and was used gender neutrally, and it seemed the ratio of male vs female servers was reflective of the patrons.

Re: Stop Brogramming

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Post by angersock »

LaGrange wrote: post #13
andrewvc wrote: post #8

This is proof that all you need to get up the front page on HN is a title that matches the current zeitgeist. The article itself is terrible, making mountains out of molehills. I'm someone who'd never even be confused as a brogrammer, but someone explain to me what's negative about this "Drinking beer, lifting weights, picking up women, and kicking out a new JSON parser before dinner. ". That actually sounds like a d…

"picking up women" This is what's wrong with this. I mean, I do know it's a pretty good day for a chauvinistic dude, but that's objectification of women as pleasure devices. "overly-P.C buzzkill" Aw. Someone ruined making fun of women for you.

women certainly arent picking up men at hackathons

(because all programmers are big fat neckbeards and brogrammers are gigantic hunks of meat)

(that is the joke you see)

Re: Stop Brogramming

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Post by namidark »

LaGrange wrote: post #13
andrewvc wrote: post #8

This is proof that all you need to get up the front page on HN is a title that matches the current zeitgeist. The article itself is terrible, making mountains out of molehills. I'm someone who'd never even be confused as a brogrammer, but someone explain to me what's negative about this "Drinking beer, lifting weights, picking up women, and kicking out a new JSON parser before dinner. ". That actually sounds like a d…

"picking up women" This is what's wrong with this. I mean, I do know it's a pretty good day for a chauvinistic dude, but that's objectification of women as pleasure devices. "overly-P.C buzzkill" Aw. Someone ruined making fun of women for you.

Everyone is WAY to oversensitive about this issue. Why dont we harp on alcoholism, or the lack of exercise being done at these events?

Re: Stop Brogramming

#18

Post by gisikw »

namidark wrote: post #17
LaGrange wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"picking up women" This is what's wrong with this. I mean, I do know it's a pretty good day for a chauvinistic dude, but that's objectification of women as pleasure devices. "overly-P.C buzzkill" Aw. Someone ruined making fun of women for you.

Everyone is WAY to oversensitive about this issue. Why dont we harp on alcoholism, or the lack of exercise being done at these events?

Because alcoholism and lethargy primarily harm the self - rather than others. Sexism targets and excludes groups of individuals.

Re: Stop Brogramming

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Post by marvin »

LaGrange wrote: post #13
andrewvc wrote: post #8

This is proof that all you need to get up the front page on HN is a title that matches the current zeitgeist. The article itself is terrible, making mountains out of molehills. I'm someone who'd never even be confused as a brogrammer, but someone explain to me what's negative about this "Drinking beer, lifting weights, picking up women, and kicking out a new JSON parser before dinner. ". That actually sounds like a d…

"picking up women" This is what's wrong with this. I mean, I do know it's a pretty good day for a chauvinistic dude, but that's objectification of women as pleasure devices. "overly-P.C buzzkill" Aw. Someone ruined making fun of women for you.

Well, if you are a guy looking for casual sex, the women are certainly not going to pick up you. This is just the way the sexual marketplace works, 9 times out of 10. Nothing chauvinistic about that statement...it's just acknowledging reality.

The belief that no women enjoy casual sexual relationships and always resent being hit on, is just as misunderstood as doing something that's actually sexist (which also happens regularly in tech circles, unfortunately). Can't we just find a middle ground somewhere?

Besides, he was joking.

Re: Stop Brogramming

#20

Post by ma2rten »

LaGrange wrote: post #13
andrewvc wrote: post #8

This is proof that all you need to get up the front page on HN is a title that matches the current zeitgeist. The article itself is terrible, making mountains out of molehills. I'm someone who'd never even be confused as a brogrammer, but someone explain to me what's negative about this "Drinking beer, lifting weights, picking up women, and kicking out a new JSON parser before dinner. ". That actually sounds like a d…

"picking up women" This is what's wrong with this. I mean, I do know it's a pretty good day for a chauvinistic dude, but that's objectification of women as pleasure devices. "overly-P.C buzzkill" Aw. Someone ruined making fun of women for you.

People getting upset about this type of thing is a sign to me that emancipation still has a long way to go. Nobody would have complained if the girls in a Sex and the City movie would have gone 'fishing for some men'.
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