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Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

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Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

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Post by SushiHippie »

skilled wrote: post #18

Samsung's ToS, > The Sites may allow you to share things like comments, photos, messages, or documents with us or with other users. When you share content, you continue to own the intellectual property rights to your content and you are free to share the content with anyone else wherever you want. However, to use your content on our Sites, you need to grant us a license for any content that you create or upload using…

> These Terms of Use (“Terms”) apply to your use of this website, any associated mobile sites, services, applications, or platforms (“Sites”).

Correct

But this is only for the US, for example the German TOS is very short and does not state that and is only for the Website and Remote Services. I think that each app (or at least some subgroups of products) has/have its on TOS

EDIT: Nevermind, I found the "real" TOS ("AGB") for germany https://terms.account.samsung.com/contents/legal/deu/deu/gen...

It also states the same

And these are the services that the TOS ("AGB") cover: https://terms.account.samsung.com/contents/legal/deu/deu/ass...

Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

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Post by beebeepka »

dudus wrote: post #11

While we are talking about it... can we make ToS ilegal? Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web? Why do businesses fear litigation so much, they hire lawyers to write and maintain a huge document nobody can ever read or understand? This is failure from governments that can't set basic rules for human interaction. All this

> While we are talking about it... can we make ToS ilegal?

What does that even mean? Laws trump Terms of service/agreements and contracts of any kind. Do they not?

Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

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Post by [deleted] »

dudus wrote: post #11

While we are talking about it... can we make ToS ilegal? Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web? Why do businesses fear litigation so much, they hire lawyers to write and maintain a huge document nobody can ever read or understand? This is failure from governments that can't set basic rules for human interaction. All this

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Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

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Post by hkt »

fxtentacle wrote: post #5

If nine experts in privacy can't understand what Microsoft does with your data, then in my opinion a court should step in and declare it void so that Microsoft isn't allowed to use any private data until they get their act together. If it's so vague that it becomes meaningless that should default to granting no rights. Otherwise, why not publish your all-rights-granting privacy policy in Klingonian in a locked drawer…

With a sign on the door saying "beware of the leopard"

Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

dudus wrote: post #11

While we are talking about it... can we make ToS ilegal? Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web? Why do businesses fear litigation so much, they hire lawyers to write and maintain a huge document nobody can ever read or understand? This is failure from governments that can't set basic rules for human interaction. All this

> can we make ToS ilegal? Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web?

Because "the web" (ie the internet) isn't a natural object. Its composed of stuff owned by companies and people, and they have the right to say how you use their stuff when you interact with it.

Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

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Post by Closi »

dudus wrote: post #11

While we are talking about it... can we make ToS ilegal? Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web? Why do businesses fear litigation so much, they hire lawyers to write and maintain a huge document nobody can ever read or understand? This is failure from governments that can't set basic rules for human interaction. All this

Because different companies will reasonably need different terms, and it's important that these are set out somewhere and accessible.

I wouldn't expect the same terms to apply for my public twitter posts as my paid fastmail account.

Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

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Post by Silhouette »

This has been my objection to Microsoft's maze-like privacy policies for a long time.

I once asked - on another forum and before the recent "AI" coding assistants were widely available - whether Microsoft's privacy policy allowed them to upload and do things with your own code if you used VS Code with telemetry enabled.

At the time I was downvoted to invisibility and told I was being silly. But not one person showed me anywhere in Microsoft's terms or privacy policy wording that limited the scope of the data processing clearly and transparently to exclude that kind of thing.

Today there's a bit of an obsession with training ML models using any large data set available and perhaps my caution from yesteryear wouldn't look so silly to the critics now.

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