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Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

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Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

#11
While we are talking about it... can we make ToS ilegal?

Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web? Why do businesses fear litigation so much, they hire lawyers to write and maintain a huge document nobody can ever read or understand?

This is failure from governments that can't set basic rules for human interaction.

All this

Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

#12
How does M$'s legal team accomplish such a feat? Are there layers of linguistic abstraction built up such that only a sufficiently large team (Microsoft, grand jury) has the bandwidth to extract any meaning? Red herrings with gotchas hidden in seemingly innocuous places? Do they just talk in circles and never give an exact answer?

Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

#14

If nine experts in privacy can't understand what Microsoft does with your data, then in my opinion a court should step in and declare it void so that Microsoft isn't allowed to use any private data until they get their act together. If it's so vague that it becomes meaningless that should default to granting no rights. Otherwise, why not publish your all-rights-granting privacy policy in Klingonian in a locked drawer…

> then in my opinion a court should step in and declare it void so that Microsoft isn't allowed to use any private data until they get their act together.

I hear what you're driving at, but "a court" cannot be both prosecutor and judge at the same time. This page is about that, possibly starting a civil suit to have a judge look at this and act accordingly.

Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

#15
post #11

While we are talking about it... can we make ToS ilegal? Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web? Why do businesses fear litigation so much, they hire lawyers to write and maintain a huge document nobody can ever read or understand? This is failure from governments that can't set basic rules for human interaction. All this

> Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web?

Are you serious?

Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

#16

If nine experts in privacy can't understand what Microsoft does with your data, then in my opinion a court should step in and declare it void so that Microsoft isn't allowed to use any private data until they get their act together. If it's so vague that it becomes meaningless that should default to granting no rights. Otherwise, why not publish your all-rights-granting privacy policy in Klingonian in a locked drawer…

yeah, that's basically one of core tenants of GDPR.

>Consent must be a specific, freely given, plainly worded, and unambiguous affirmation given by the data subject;

Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

#17

If nine experts in privacy can't understand what Microsoft does with your data, then in my opinion a court should step in and declare it void so that Microsoft isn't allowed to use any private data until they get their act together. If it's so vague that it becomes meaningless that should default to granting no rights. Otherwise, why not publish your all-rights-granting privacy policy in Klingonian in a locked drawer…

To an extent, think about vested interests here. Mozilla has little to gain by showcasing how clear a rival's new service agreement is!

The AI services section seems pretty clear in terms of limiting the use cases of user content:

"iv. Use of Your Content. As part of providing the AI services, Microsoft will process and store your inputs to the service as well as output from the service, for purposes of monitoring for and preventing abusive or harmful uses or outputs of the service."

Admittedly, I haven't read other parts to understand the full picture though.

Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

#18
Samsung's ToS,

> The Sites may allow you to share things like comments, photos, messages, or documents with us or with other users. When you share content, you continue to own the intellectual property rights to your content and you are free to share the content with anyone else wherever you want. However, to use your content on our Sites, you need to grant us a license for any content that you create or upload using our Sites. When you upload, transmit, create, post, display or otherwise provide any information, materials, documents, media files or other content on or through our Sites (“User Content”) you grant us an irrevocable, unlimited, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to copy, reproduce, adapt, modify, edit, distribute, translate, publish, publicly perform and publicly display the User Content (“User Content License”), to the full extent allowed by Applicable Law.

It's my understanding that "Sites" is all Samsung products as it is vaguely referenced in the ToS itself.

https://www.samsung.com/us/common/legal/

Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

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post #18

Samsung's ToS, > The Sites may allow you to share things like comments, photos, messages, or documents with us or with other users. When you share content, you continue to own the intellectual property rights to your content and you are free to share the content with anyone else wherever you want. However, to use your content on our Sites, you need to grant us a license for any content that you create or upload using…

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Re: Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

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post #16

If nine experts in privacy can't understand what Microsoft does with your data, then in my opinion a court should step in and declare it void so that Microsoft isn't allowed to use any private data until they get their act together. If it's so vague that it becomes meaningless that should default to granting no rights. Otherwise, why not publish your all-rights-granting privacy policy in Klingonian in a locked drawer…

yeah, that's basically one of core tenants of GDPR. >Consent must be a specific, freely given, plainly worded, and unambiguous affirmation given by the data subject;

GDPR and indeed any data protection laws may well be completely irrelevant in the context of Microsoft's services. Even if relevant, consent is unlikely to be a relevant as a processing basis under GDPR in the context of usage of MS services. Performance of contract or legitimate interests much more likely to be relevant...
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