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Dungeons and Dragons players of death row

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Re: Dungeons and Dragons players of death row

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I grew up living with a chaplain who worked death row at a large prison, so I have considerable hands-on experience interacting with death-row inmates, and no, the label "death row" does not provide enough information for judgement.

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Re: Dungeons and Dragons players of death row

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Many prisons don't allow dice. And some don't allow DnD books ("too stimulating"). This leads to many interesting and remarkable adaptations to play. As an example, I heard from a guy that they rolled a d20 by drawing paper lots with the numbers 1 through 20 written on them. He also memorized the entire PHB. Cool dude.

Re: Dungeons and Dragons players of death row

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This is a heartbreaking story. I love playing D&D, and I can only imagine how important it is to these people in a setting like this. I hope the United States joins the rest of the western world and bans capital punishment soon--preferably yesterday.

Tell that to their victims. The only downside to capital punishment is that it's possible to wrongly convict someone. Other than that, there are crimes that people commit where you can never trust them to be safe around people again. In that case, capital punishment is perfectly justified in my mind. The idea that keeping them in prison for life is somehow more humane is silly. The rest of the world is letting crime…

The rest of the world is letting crime run rampant on their streets through lenient sentencing, and destroy their society

LMAO

Re: Dungeons and Dragons players of death row

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Who is the bad person you're referring to? I read the article twice and saw no mention of anyone bad.

so "death row" is a label with no other information attached?

has anyone earned that label but later been found not guilty?

Re: Dungeons and Dragons players of death row

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Some of the countries that do have death penalty, like India and Japan, reserve the death penalty for "the worst of the worst" (intentional mass murder etc). Neither of the guys profiled here qualify, and it's particularly shocking that Ford was sent to death row purely on circumstantial evidence.

Here [1] is his court case. The NYTimes is not reporting the events in a remotely fair way. It was an attempted mass murder. After tormenting a family of 4 who gave them everything he demanded, he then declared his intent to murder them all and started shooting them one by one. Those that survived did so only by good grace. One survivor, for instance, was shot point blank in the head. Another was able to fake have be…

Your source says Ford's cohort was identified as a local, not Ford himself.

Re: Dungeons and Dragons players of death row

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This is a heartbreaking story. I love playing D&D, and I can only imagine how important it is to these people in a setting like this. I hope the United States joins the rest of the western world and bans capital punishment soon--preferably yesterday.

and yet, how is death sentence any worse than life in prison? if it were me, I'd just want a quick exit rather than rotting in a cage for decades

That's a choice you might make for yourself, rather than a choice the state makes for you. There's a big difference.

Re: Dungeons and Dragons players of death row

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Tell that to their victims. The only downside to capital punishment is that it's possible to wrongly convict someone. Other than that, there are crimes that people commit where you can never trust them to be safe around people again. In that case, capital punishment is perfectly justified in my mind. The idea that keeping them in prison for life is somehow more humane is silly. The rest of the world is letting crime…

> The only downside to capital punishment is that it's possible to wrongly convict someone. Other than that... For many, myself included, there is no "other than that." My core and unbending opposition to capital punishments exists solely on the fact that the punishment is irreversible and there's too many documented cases where executed prisoners were likely wrongfully convicted. I could perhaps support capital puni…

I don't think it's that clear cut. Imprisoning someone for 40 years and then exonerating them can be reasonably considered a far crueler punishment than death sentence.

Re: Dungeons and Dragons players of death row

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so "death row" is a label with no other information attached?

has anyone earned that label but later been found not guilty?

Well, that's the problem with the death penalty in the face of our current legal system.

The prison I mentioned was majority black. I knew a man personally who had been in prison for over 40 years, since his early 20s. He wasn't on death row, but he spent his entire life in prison for a murder he maintained he never committed. I believed him.

One day in this man's late 60s, another man at the prison who was on death row was executed. At his execution, he confessed to another murder... the same one that the first man had been charged with. It took 40 years for this poor man to be exonerated, because he was locked up in a time where being black was enough to get the book thrown at you. If he was on death row, he wouldn't have gotten 40 years to prove his innocence.

But the best part? The prison warden maneuvered to gum the process up with as much paperwork as possible, and this man died in prison as a free man.

Re: Dungeons and Dragons players of death row

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Here [1] is his court case. The NYTimes is not reporting the events in a remotely fair way. It was an attempted mass murder. After tormenting a family of 4 who gave them everything he demanded, he then declared his intent to murder them all and started shooting them one by one. Those that survived did so only by good grace. One survivor, for instance, was shot point blank in the head. Another was able to fake have be…

Your source says Ford's cohort was identified as a local, not Ford himself.

Excellent correction. I'd misread that paragraph as it has that one statement about his cohort while the rest is exclusively about him. Thanks.
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