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Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by ok_dad »

ehnto wrote: post #35
maxweylandt wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Noise in cities is primarily driven by cars. Densification if done right could even make things quieter (e g. Reduce stroads and have more bicycles)

Absolutely. Walking around Osaka, Tokyo etc, it's so incredibly quiet. Eventually you will come to a road and the difference is so obvious, you really feel how unpleasant roads are in a city. It's surprising how much a bit of distance helps too. Just a street back from a stroad and you're already much better off sound wise. We don't have to abandon roads just be smarter with where we put faster roads (50kmph+ is prob…

I bought a house on one of two roads into my town and the difference between night (no cars) and day (lots of cars) is night and day. It’s so noisy during the day that I use headphones to watch tv, but at night it’s turned down to quite a low volume level.

I chose this house, I’m not complaining, but I would enjoy a world with less to zero cars.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by Symbiote »

jhugo wrote: post #37
langsoul-com wrote: post #22

I'd say one of the bigger issues is due to how legal everything has become. Most of those air cabin PA announcements are necessary to legally cover their asses. I doubt am airline would want to find out what happens in court if they didn't give those ps announcements.

There's big variation between airlines, though, so I think that's not the entire explanation. In many cases I think that there is nobody involved with the decision of which announcements to include who really has the job of caring about the overall passenger experience. In some airlines in Asia you get every announcement in three languages, and your IFE is interrupted by all of them, regardless of whether you underst…

They can't really rely on the IFE being set to the correct language.

I can read enough of several languages to navigate the menus, choose a film and so on, but not enough to understand the safety briefing. Many people won't touch the IFE at all, especially before take off.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by ehnto »

tigen wrote: post #29
TillE wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also not true. Thick walls do wonders (eg, old apartment buildings in Germany are very quiet). It's only a problem with cheap construction.

There also are cultural norms and/or enforcement around stuff like loud cars or trucks. I visited Asian cities recently and did not notice offensive noise. No crazy/rowdy yelling people, quiet buses. I slept in quieter neighborhoods but they were still dense.

I do actually imagine a rough transition period for some in denser housing in places like America and Australia. I don't think we quite have the outward thoughtfulness as a societal norm, that makes it work in some cultures.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by [deleted] »

ehnto wrote: post #40
DoreenMichele wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They go up if you build more densely and then hop in your car and drive an entire block to your destination, which some Americans insist on. But if you walk, bike, take transit, it gets better. People don't automatically adapt just because you build it differently and people typically have trouble imagining genuinely living differently without actually experiencing it.

I don't disagree entirely but if you genuinely build a low-car dependent neighborhood it will be too inconvenient to use your car for a short hop. Speeds are way lower in dense neighborhoods, and no on street parking, so the noise is lower and it's a pain to pull your car in and out. Most noise is tire noise not exhaust (except your odd racer boy and their fart cannon exhaust)

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Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by Ensorceled »

acyou wrote: post #34

Complain about too much communication. Complain about too little. The happy medium is somewhere in the middle. The stressors are the complainers and extremists (author of this article included).

The absolute worst are the people smugly complaining about the complaining without a stitch of irony.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

maxweylandt wrote: post #30
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #5

Kinda the same as 'please listen carefully as our menu options have changed' and 'we're experiencing higher than usual calls'. Or all the texts I get about remindeds of appointments followed by asking for reviews. It's like every channel is being abused to get us to do something. And I fail to pick out the important ones. Side note, with people wanting more dense housing, noise levels will go up.

Noise in cities is primarily driven by cars. Densification if done right could even make things quieter (e g. Reduce stroads and have more bicycles)

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Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

maxweylandt wrote: post #30
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #5

Kinda the same as 'please listen carefully as our menu options have changed' and 'we're experiencing higher than usual calls'. Or all the texts I get about remindeds of appointments followed by asking for reviews. It's like every channel is being abused to get us to do something. And I fail to pick out the important ones. Side note, with people wanting more dense housing, noise levels will go up.

Noise in cities is primarily driven by cars. Densification if done right could even make things quieter (e g. Reduce stroads and have more bicycles)

Fortunately this goes away as more cars go electric.

Next!

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #32
esteth wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would noise levels go up with densification? Densification allows you to reduce car dependence, and most city noise is from cars.

They go up if you build more densely and then hop in your car and drive an entire block to your destination, which some Americans insist on. But if you walk, bike, take transit, it gets better. People don't automatically adapt just because you build it differently and people typically have trouble imagining genuinely living differently without actually experiencing it.

Some people don't work a block away. Oh wait: Almost NO ONE works a block away.

Increased density means increased traffic, period. Has this equation been reduced by working at home? Sure. But it remains a fact of life.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by ehnto »

Terr_ wrote: post #3

This kind of thing is related to Alarm Fatigue [0] and also has implications for designing software notifications and dialogs. More is not always better when it comes to warnings, and is often worse . [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alarm_fatigue

I managed a product that was producing nearly a million exceptions every week. The developer considered almost every circumstance to be an exception. Username and password wrong? Exception. Form field not validated? Exception! Request timeout, ah! Whatever will we do! Exception! There were even some exceptions for things that went well. But you can imagine, if everything is exceptional, real issues don't stand out anymore and go unnoticed.

Re: The Scourge of Airport Noise

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Post by Dalewyn »

Terr_ wrote: post #3

This kind of thing is related to Alarm Fatigue [0] and also has implications for designing software notifications and dialogs. More is not always better when it comes to warnings, and is often worse . [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alarm_fatigue

>also has implications for designing software notifications and dialogs.

I block notifs[1] from 99% of the programs on my phone because THEY. ARE. NOT. IMPORTANT.

The small handful of programs that do have notifications enabled are because they actually are worth my attention.

[1]: No, I refuse to properly call them notifications because notifs are not notifications. Notifications shouldn't be making me question if they are important, hence notif.

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