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Artificial Intelligence and Copyright: Request for comments

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Re: Artificial Intelligence and Copyright: Request for comments

#101

I believe we first need to answer the question of whether the copyright of the AI model’s source text or images affects the output. My opinion — and note I’m a software engineer, not a lawyer — is that an AI, being a statistical model and not generally intelligent, should not be allowed to disregard the copyright of its source material. This would, I think, require the AI’s creator to secure a license for all of its…

> The alternative seems to be “anything goes”.

Seems like a huge false dichotomy. You really can't imagine anything in between total shutdown of AI training on public data sources and no rules at all?

I think we should try a bit harder for a middle ground.

Re: Artificial Intelligence and Copyright: Request for comments

#102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Define AI.

This isn't a math quiz. For practical purposes, we can start with a list of technologies that are clearly harmful. Generative AI like ChatGPT, AI image generators, AI text generators that write something based on a prompt, etc. all halted.

Why would you want that? What is "clearly harmful" in your view?

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#103

Terms of Use You are prohibited from using the content of this site in "large language models" or any other usage for the purpose of "artificial intelligence". Liquidated Damages

I'll just write a blog with a disclaimer "no one is allowed to read this blog". Now anyone who comes across it is violating my terms and owes me money!

Re: Artificial Intelligence and Copyright: Request for comments

#104
post #56

I believe we first need to answer the question of whether the copyright of the AI model’s source text or images affects the output. My opinion — and note I’m a software engineer, not a lawyer — is that an AI, being a statistical model and not generally intelligent, should not be allowed to disregard the copyright of its source material. This would, I think, require the AI’s creator to secure a license for all of its…

My opinion as a SWE who is dating a lawyer (joke, not a serious qualification but it does provide some insight): Generative models traverse and interpolate high dimensional state spaces. These state spaces are created from input data. I would argue people do the exact same thing - the first main difference is we can use novel inputs (e.g. we can use images or words to develop our music/temporal state spaces and vice…

> Until we solve the interpretability problem (e.g. can you decode the feature space of a neural network into something we can comprehend) there is no good solution.

This is the rub. Without reverse attribution... open source anonymous models become a free-for-all loophole.

Since that doesn't currently exist, I think the best we can do is to say that any commercial entity using a model bears the responsibility of proving the model they use is untainted by copyrighted material (to which they haven't secured rights).

Open source model X is... whatever it is.

But I'll be damned if OpenAI / Meta / Microsoft / IBM should be able to build a commercial product on top of laundered copyrighted material while ignoring provenance.

I mean, we have models for this: software code and art. Both aren't clearly attributable. In the case of software code, we've developed case law around clean room design and similarity. In the case of art, we value verifiable chain of custody.

Hopefully, something similar would tilt commercial funding of AI in the direction of responsible use.

Re: Artificial Intelligence and Copyright: Request for comments

#105

I'm going to try to plead my case for images generated using sophisticated prompt engineering to be copyrightable. For example, at the point that I've written a prompt with 20 tags, 10 negative prompt tags, some loras, custom weights, embeddings merges, and prompt editing, I'm now writing what is effectively a "program", which should be copyrightable and so should its outputs. It's total BS to me that a book of midjo…

The thing you're authoring is just your prompt. Apply for a copyright for it. The image or text generated in reply is generated by a computer with no more input from you than someone commissioning work using very precise words, and lacks human authorship.

That's the same as saying if I open paint and draw with the mouse my mouse movements should be copyrightable but not the resulting image...

Re: Artificial Intelligence and Copyright: Request for comments

#106
I have never understood the fair use argument when it comes to training data.

I publish a copyrighted article. Some LLM ingests it without permission, but since the output of that LLM is sufficiently different from my source article there is no violation.

I publish copyrighted code. Some company decides to consume it without purchasing a license. The product they distribute is vastly different from my code itself, but I can still sue them into oblivion.

What's the difference between the two?

Re: Artificial Intelligence and Copyright: Request for comments

#107

I believe we first need to answer the question of whether the copyright of the AI model’s source text or images affects the output. My opinion — and note I’m a software engineer, not a lawyer — is that an AI, being a statistical model and not generally intelligent, should not be allowed to disregard the copyright of its source material. This would, I think, require the AI’s creator to secure a license for all of its…

I personally have a really hard time finding any meaningful difference or distinction between "AI" and "lossy compression". Copyright and "lossy compression" are pretty easy to reason about. Model "building" is "compression". Model "use" is "decompression". Everything about these AI models seems to be about the "lossy" part, but "lossy" is just an adjective to the main show.

It's very difficult to not conclude that copyright of a trained model should be treated identically to the copyright of a zip file.

Re: Artificial Intelligence and Copyright: Request for comments

#108
I'm surprised that nobody has suggested that what's behind this RFC is Disney and other large studios lobbying to make it legal to copyright AI generated content so that they can move to AI generated movies and art. Right now you can't get a copyright on AI generated content.

Re: Artificial Intelligence and Copyright: Request for comments

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is that an AI, being a statistical model and not generally intelligent, should not be allowed to disregard the copyright of its source material None of what you are saying has anything to do with copyright. The tool Photoshop isn't generally intelligent either. And yet, yes it can be used to create art using other people's stuff. And it could be done legally if the results are transformative.

Photoshop doesn’t install with a massive directory of other people’s copyrighted works to draw snippets from.

Yes it does...

Re: Artificial Intelligence and Copyright: Request for comments

#110
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Interesting example.

I ran your prompt five times through GPT-3.5. While it didn’t use the name Hogwarts in those cases, three of the results had the character going to either the Academy of Arcane Arts (twice) or the Royal Academy of Arcane Arts, which seems clearly modelled on Hogwarts.

I then tried the prompt five times with GPT-4. None of the resulting stories had the main character going to study magic at a school. I don’t know the Harry Potter stories well enough to tell if other names or plot points in GPT-4’s output originated there, so I tried a variation of your prompt using a plot point from the Lord of the Rings: “Please come up with an original story about a magic ring that makes the user invisible. Make sure you don't use existing characters and don't plagiarize any work.”

In five tries with GPT-4, I got one reference to “the Misty Mountains” but no other names that I remember from LOTR. In all five stories, the ring turns out to have negative aspects, but that might be inevitable for fantasy stories.

I liked this one:

“However, she also soon discovered that every time she wore the ring, she left behind a faint imprint of herself. These ‘echoes’ interacted with the world in her stead, retracing her steps and repeating her words from when she was in that silvery realm. And they never disappeared. ... The town of Nerris began to get crowded with Maeve's silent doppelgangers, all repeating her past actions. The townspeople grew suspicious. They noticed these silent echoes, and fear began to take root. They were unnerved by the countless Maeves they saw wandering about, each one caught in its own loop.”

Does that sound familiar to anyone? Could it be GPT-4’s original idea?

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