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Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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Fun fact: you can still call Pennsylvania 6-5000 and get the hotel which has closed in the last few years. They used to play The Glenn Miller song when you called them...

Maybe not anymore. The building is being demolished. https://www.archpaper.com/2023/08/last-remnants-hotel-pennsy...

I called it before I wrote the comment. A few years ago I got the song, just before I wrote my comment I got a recording saying they were closed permanently

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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It's so annoying that they only used one example (Murray Hill) which is actually MU and not MH, which required me to re-skim it a few times to grok what was going on. It would have been nice for the article to provide several examples of the mnemonic. While I've been aware for quite a few years that the telephone system used to use names for exchanges (eg, Pennsylvania 6-500), it took a few MORE years for me to reali…

The article linked to the full Ma Bell list: https://web.archive.org/web/20150317062651/http://www.ourweb... It's strange to me that there are 5-6 options for each exchange, instead of a canonical name.

The article did a really poor job of explaining the logic.

> It's strange to me that there are 5-6 options for each exchange, instead of a canonical name.

The point isn't to assign them canonical names, but to define a mapping from the two letters at the start of a word to two-digit codes. These letter-pairs are chosen so that meaningful words can be formed with them (that's why there is no QX, because no English word starts with QX) and that they are distinguishable (which is why there is a BA but not BE, BO, or BU: it would be hard to distinguish BAldwin from BEldwing, BOldwin or BUldwin).

There isn't a single canonical name because the purpose of the code is to allow cities to define their own area codes with memorable names that vary based on the location. One city might use UNiversity (86), MUseum (68) and CEnter (23).

But using UNiversity or MUseum wouldn't make sense in a different city that doesn't have a local university or a particularly notable museum. But they can still use the same area codes with the mnemonics TOwn Square instead of UNiversity (86), OVerlook instead of MUseum (68), or CEdar Avenue instead of CEnter (23).

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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People are mentioning this was on the Simpsons, but I remember my mom telling me this was how they used to name phone numbers when she was a kid and she wasn't even born until 1961. Lester Freeman in The Wire from 2003ish was still calling the prefix of a phone number the "exchange," even when talking about cellular service.

Born in 1961 and these articles don't touch on one thing that I remember when I was a kid: you only needed 5 numbers to dial if you were calling someone else in the same thing. This was the case at my grandparents in Bay City, Michigan in the late 1960s. My cousin's number was LIncoln 2-9729

I have never understood how that worked despite my father working for the phone company. Dad explained a lot of things, but that wasn't one of them.

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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They even had this in the Simpsons in the 90s, so not even 50s era! Mr Plow gives his phone number as Klondike 5 3226 and the jingle says "KL5 3226"

Mr Burns answers the phone "Ahoy-hoy" because Alexander Graham Bell proposed that as the greeting for answering.

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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Pretty sure Seinfeld gave a KL5 number once too.

Yea, Seinfeld phone numbers were all over the place. Letters in the numbers, 5 digits numbers and then towards the end the standard 7 digit and 10 digit. I didn’t watch it contemporaneously, but rather pretty recently and I kept thinking, there’s no way the show is that old that they were still using letters in phone numbers in NYC.

I was a kid when Seinfeld aired originally and didn't find it that weird. My grandmother would often give her phone number to older people as SHerman-2xxxx. She stopped doing that after Chicago and the suburbs split 312 and the suburbs became 708 in ~1990. I can see it still being common among older people in the 90s in Manhattan until more area codes were added towards the end of the decade (there was also some restriction of the 212 area that factored into a Seinfeld episode too).

It's worth noting that during the run of Seinfeld the number of telephone numbers was growing rapidly. Until dial-up internet took off it was pretty uncommon for a house to have 2 numbers - usually just well off people or those who ran businesses out of their homes. Then dial-up internet happened and phone rates were also getting cheaper, so a lot of families opted for a second line in their home to not tie up the primary phone for hours on end. At the same time beepers, then cell phones went from something for doctors (and other important people) and drug dealers to "pretty common", adding to the growth rate of assigned telephone numbers.

Put another way - during the run of Seinfeld my grandmother lived in the same house and had the same 7digit phone number that she had since the 1940s, but got 2 new area codes (708 split into 847, 630 and 708 in ~1995), and 10 digit dialing was required not long after. All the rapid (compared to decades of sameness prior) change is what finally broke the old habits, more than silly things like touch tone dialing or direct dial long distance.

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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They even had this in the Simpsons in the 90s, so not even 50s era! Mr Plow gives his phone number as Klondike 5 3226 and the jingle says "KL5 3226"

The fictional KLondike exchange was often used back in the day for movie/TV phone numbers. And a look at a phone keypad shows that we would now say 555-3226...hey wait! That's exactly how we would give a fictional phone number today! (Technically, only 555-0000 thru 555-0199 are reserved for this purpose, but not every fictional number follows that rule.)

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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using my landline, i generally just give people my last 6 digits - one of the reasons i like using landlines for local calls, actually

You must live in a very remote area to still support that. Not to mention to still have a landline, no one I know in my area will even give out a POTS line, you can only get VOIP and most households don’t have that anymore either, aside from the outrageous cost all the providers charge for a single line, there’s so many taxes and fees you end up paying close to 100% more. (E.g $40/m for the line ends up being $80). M…

nope, i live in lincoln the major city in lincolnshire

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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You must live in a very remote area to still support that. Not to mention to still have a landline, no one I know in my area will even give out a POTS line, you can only get VOIP and most households don’t have that anymore either, aside from the outrageous cost all the providers charge for a single line, there’s so many taxes and fees you end up paying close to 100% more. (E.g $40/m for the line ends up being $80). M…

Parent might be British - POTS is still widely available here, although not terribly popular. It's about as expensive to get a POTS line as three unlimited-calls 4G SIM cards, unless you combine calls with your broadband and can save money on the line rental.

i use voip - it is cheap, sky, uk.

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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Parent might be British - POTS is still widely available here, although not terribly popular. It's about as expensive to get a POTS line as three unlimited-calls 4G SIM cards, unless you combine calls with your broadband and can save money on the line rental.

i use voip - it is cheap, sky, uk.

There is very little reason not to use VOIP - a friend of mine, a former telephone engineer and entrepreneur, even has his calls set up to be automatically routed to his mobile phone when he is out.

Re: Why did old phone numbers start with letters? (2015)

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I could be wrong but I think there was a period after the exchanges were used (no need to use full names) and folks continued using 2 letters as a prefix to a number because they were easier to remember that way (can still remember my cousin's 70s number to this day PL78750). You would look at the phone to determine the number for P and L.

I still remember a scene from Seinfeld where George is at the unemployment office and when the lady asks him for the business's phone number, he says KL5 8383.
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